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    Post #1 - May 8th, 2012, 2:52 pm
    Post #1 - May 8th, 2012, 2:52 pm Post #1 - May 8th, 2012, 2:52 pm
    Gustavo Arellano's Taco USA: How Mexican Food Conquered America may be guilty of a vast understatement. It seems that Mexican food is poised to Conquer the World. On a recent trip to Shanghai, this image appeared on my hotel's amenities channel:

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    Quesadilla, Crowne Plaza Fudan by Josephine2004, on Flickr

    Puzzled, I dismissed this as a one-off. (And, no, I didn't try the quesadilla.)

    The next evening our hosts, faced with a range of Western dining options, suggested this place for dinner:

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    Cantina Agave, Shanghai by Josephine2004, on Flickr

    We had tacos and shrimp cocktails and margaritas. They were pretty good. And the place was packed.

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    Shanghai Tacos by Josephine2004, on Flickr

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    Shrimp Cocktail, Shanghai by Josephine2004, on Flickr

    The numbers bear me out. There are 13 Mexican restaurants on the Shanghai Taxi App and 6 on the Beijing Taxi App. I guess I was not too surprised to see this stand in the hutong near Houhai Lake:

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    Churros in Beijing by Josephine2004, on Flickr

    Now I know what this little guy is wondering about:

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    Where Can I Get a TACO? (Beijing Version) by Josephine2004, on Flickr

    So, I'd like to invite others to post their international encounters with Mexican food (outside of Mexico, obviously). I'm betting that Paris, Rome and Stockholm are awash in pico de gallo.
    Man : I can't understand how a poet like you can eat that stuff.
    T. S. Eliot: Ah, but you're not a poet.
  • Post #2 - May 8th, 2012, 4:19 pm
    Post #2 - May 8th, 2012, 4:19 pm Post #2 - May 8th, 2012, 4:19 pm
    I'll take that money....

    I'm convinced that Mexican is still the greatest cuisine that's not everywhere. It also is very likely the one that sucks most off its native (including parts of the US) soil, owing to the unique need for good masa. (Unlike the relatively ubiquitous Italian, French, Chinese, Japanese, Indian). Maybe Thai is equally great/unknown.
  • Post #3 - May 8th, 2012, 6:30 pm
    Post #3 - May 8th, 2012, 6:30 pm Post #3 - May 8th, 2012, 6:30 pm
    I recall seeing one or two Mexican restaurants in Buenos Aires when Mrs. JiLS and I visited there in 2008. We were by no means in the market for Mexican food on that trip, and the general distaste for much if any spiciness among the folks of BA (or at least their reputation for it) made me figure any Mexican style food would be tailored to the local tastes and therefore probably not very satisfying to us. But who knows what we might have been missing?
    JiLS
  • Post #4 - May 9th, 2012, 11:55 am
    Post #4 - May 9th, 2012, 11:55 am Post #4 - May 9th, 2012, 11:55 am
    JeffB wrote:I'll take that money....

    I'm convinced that Mexican is still the greatest cuisine that's not everywhere. It also is very likely the one that sucks most off its native (including parts of the US) soil, owing to the unique need for good masa. (Unlike the relatively ubiquitous Italian, French, Chinese, Japanese, Indian). Maybe Thai is equally great/unknown.


    Not a betting woman, but that rhetorical device does suggest an interesting path for a wager. . .

    JimInLoganSquare wrote:I recall seeing one or two Mexican restaurants in Buenos Aires when Mrs. JiLS and I visited there in 2008. We were by no means in the market for Mexican food on that trip, and the general distaste for much if any spiciness among the folks of BA (or at least their reputation for it) made me figure any Mexican style food would be tailored to the local tastes and therefore probably not very satisfying to us. But who knows what we might have been missing?

    Google suggests that there are at least 6 Mexican restaurants in Buenos Aires.

    So, beginning with a list of all the world's capitals, I have found Mexican restaurants or Mexican dishes at bi-cultural restaurants in these so far:

    Afghanistan
    Albania
    Algeria
    Andorra
    Antigua
    Argentina
    Armenia
    Australia
    Austria
    Azerbaijan
    Bahamas
    Bahrain
    Bangladesh
    Barbados
    Belarus
    Belgium
    Belize
    Bhutan
    Bolivia
    Bosnia
    Brazil
    Brunei
    Bulgaria

    I'm guessing that the representation of Mexican restaurants is similar down the line of 196 capital cities of the world. Angola, Benin, and Burundi do not appear to have Mexican restaurants. But there does seem to be Mexican food elsewhere on the African continent. How do you define "everywhere?" Every country or every continent? If every continent, I see that they have "Mexican Fridays" at McMurdo Station in Antarctica. Pepe's North of the Border serves Mexican food in Barrow, Alaska.
    Man : I can't understand how a poet like you can eat that stuff.
    T. S. Eliot: Ah, but you're not a poet.
  • Post #5 - May 9th, 2012, 12:02 pm
    Post #5 - May 9th, 2012, 12:02 pm Post #5 - May 9th, 2012, 12:02 pm
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    Cantina Agave, Shanghai by Josephine2004, on Flickr

    That very successful chain is apparently owned by an HS alumni of mine... She's 1 of the top restaurateurs in SHA of "Western" cuisine.
  • Post #6 - May 9th, 2012, 12:27 pm
    Post #6 - May 9th, 2012, 12:27 pm Post #6 - May 9th, 2012, 12:27 pm
    I know this place was posted about at some point on LTH.
    I’ve been meaning to check it out the last couple times
    I’ve been in London, but haven’t given it a try yet:

    L’Autre - Polish / Mexican Bistro - 5b Shepherd Street (Mayfair – Green Park Station)
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  • Post #7 - May 9th, 2012, 2:05 pm
    Post #7 - May 9th, 2012, 2:05 pm Post #7 - May 9th, 2012, 2:05 pm
    Six Mexican restaurants in a huge Latin American capital such as BA would seem to cut against the point being made. My travels suggest that Mexican is under-represented internationally in relation to it gastronomic "value" in terms of taste, complexity, variation and originality. Sure there are probably fewer Uzbeki spots in BA (though maybe not, and it doesn't matter anyway to this point). But I'm confident that BA has scores of Chinese, Italian, French and even Japanese spots (though probably not Thai, which is like Mexico this way but I percive it to be less so). If this Board has taught me anything, it's that while not every nation or culture has a great cuisine, Mexico is among the small handful that surely do. But you don't see it abroad (outside Mexico and the US of course) as much as you'd expect, and when you do, it's usually God-awful fake Tex-Mex and way, way more off-base than overseas attempts at other great cuisines. In my anecdotal experience, this is due to (1) a lack of correct ingredients (a problem in NYC as much as London, for example, so you know they aren't striking the correct notes in less cosmopolitan places) and (2) a dearth of actual Mexican (or expert non-Mexican) cooks, in contrast to, say, Chinese or Indian which, while not always good, are almost always made by cooks from their respective lands of origin. I'll add a third: the British have not historically had a love affair with Mexican food and almost no Mexican immigration. For a few hundred years or more, international culture was British culture. Your curries, chop suey, "spaghetti Bolonaise," coq au van, and even sushi got around. Moles did not.

    PS, love the photo directly above. If they added pizza they could sell it as a Chicago-style restaurant.
  • Post #8 - May 9th, 2012, 4:10 pm
    Post #8 - May 9th, 2012, 4:10 pm Post #8 - May 9th, 2012, 4:10 pm
    JeffB wrote:My travels suggest that Mexican is under-represented internationally in relation to it gastronomic "value" in terms of taste, complexity, variation and originality.

    This is a point that I will readily concede.

    JeffB wrote: If this Board has taught me anything, it's that while not every nation or culture has a great cuisine, Mexico is among the small handful that surely do. But you don't see it abroad (outside Mexico and the US of course) as much as you'd expect, and when you do, it's usually God-awful fake Tex-Mex and way, way more off-base than overseas attempts at other great cuisines.


    Again, agreed, but my point was about the reach of Mexican cuisine. I regard the spread of interest in Mexican food as a harbinger of better things to come.
    Man : I can't understand how a poet like you can eat that stuff.
    T. S. Eliot: Ah, but you're not a poet.
  • Post #9 - May 10th, 2012, 10:37 am
    Post #9 - May 10th, 2012, 10:37 am Post #9 - May 10th, 2012, 10:37 am
    Oh, OK. I think we agree. You're right. Mexican used to be, for a hundred years, nowhere even beyond Mexico's own borders (except for the border states of the US, and little did outsiders know, Chicago) which is hard to fathom today. I think you are seeing it in Europe and Asia more now because of Mexican's wild popularity in the US than anything else. But it's a good thing. Also, Mexican flavors, ingredients, and eating instructions (fold the heavily-spiced meat into the flat bit of bread) clearly are not that unusual to the Chinese in the way they were to Anglo-Americans and Western Europeans.
  • Post #10 - May 10th, 2012, 11:14 am
    Post #10 - May 10th, 2012, 11:14 am Post #10 - May 10th, 2012, 11:14 am
    Clearly they need to take a tip from the Irish. :P
  • Post #11 - May 11th, 2012, 1:44 am
    Post #11 - May 11th, 2012, 1:44 am Post #11 - May 11th, 2012, 1:44 am
    Mexican is probably the cuisine that travels least well away from it's people - by that I mean I'd rather have almost anything than mexican in a country that doesn't have mexicans. I've had edible italian or chinese cooked by people who were niether, but you get a czech guy who had mexican in a tex mex place in new jersey trying to cook mexican, and you are going to have a disaster. I've actaully eaten mexican food in a few places in eastern europe, the middle east and, god help me, india, before I put in place the no-mexican rule.

    I'm posting from a hotel in Qatar that has a mexican resteraunt - the workers are bangladeshi, working from recepies that are probably from american consultants, with produce provided from india. the menu has niether pork nor beef.
  • Post #12 - May 11th, 2012, 9:12 am
    Post #12 - May 11th, 2012, 9:12 am Post #12 - May 11th, 2012, 9:12 am
    Exactly. What are they using for tortillas?
  • Post #13 - May 12th, 2012, 7:19 am
    Post #13 - May 12th, 2012, 7:19 am Post #13 - May 12th, 2012, 7:19 am
    When we got to Montréal six yrs ago, there were basically no Mexicans in town; Lots of Salvadoreans and Peruvians, tho', and their food was and continues to be excellent. Mexican food was breath-takingly awful. It mostly still is. But a couple of tortillerias opened, and one or two decent dives. So we get by. Some fresh produce is available, plus there are several boucheries that have Mexican butchers, which is a big gain. The locals are open to trying the genuine thing, so there's a glimmer of hope.

    But it ain't Kansas City, not yet by far.

    Geo
    Sooo, you like wine and are looking for something good to read? Maybe *this* will do the trick! :)
  • Post #14 - May 12th, 2012, 7:45 pm
    Post #14 - May 12th, 2012, 7:45 pm Post #14 - May 12th, 2012, 7:45 pm
    A friend recently commented on FB that Dolores Burritos in Berlin serves a killer burrito & great guac. He usually has pretty good taste in food, so I'll take him at his word.
  • Post #15 - May 13th, 2012, 1:28 am
    Post #15 - May 13th, 2012, 1:28 am Post #15 - May 13th, 2012, 1:28 am
    JeffB wrote:Exactly. What are they using for tortillas?

    crispy little pita bread. pretty funny
  • Post #16 - May 13th, 2012, 8:47 am
    Post #16 - May 13th, 2012, 8:47 am Post #16 - May 13th, 2012, 8:47 am
    I saw a place called Taco Shop in Madison (WI) this week that made me think of this thread. It caught my eye because they proudly display their locations on the front door. Along with Madison they also have spots in Copenhagen (The original) and Amsterdam. Really makes you wanna stop in huh? :roll:

    Started by a guy from San Diego who I guess must of got the itch while living abroad.
  • Post #17 - May 13th, 2012, 8:58 am
    Post #17 - May 13th, 2012, 8:58 am Post #17 - May 13th, 2012, 8:58 am
    The craziest place I've ever had really first-class Mexican food is Señor Zorba's in Santorini. Perched up on top of the cliff, with an incredible view, they grow a lot of their own produce--limes, for example, which are almost impossible to find in Greece, chile peppers, etc. The owners are a woman from Texas and her Greek husband; they met at a Mexican place in Denver and decided to do it in Santorini. They've succeeded wildly.

    Geo
    Sooo, you like wine and are looking for something good to read? Maybe *this* will do the trick! :)
  • Post #18 - May 17th, 2012, 8:46 am
    Post #18 - May 17th, 2012, 8:46 am Post #18 - May 17th, 2012, 8:46 am
    Hi,

    I just received an e-mail suggesting Jeffery Pilcher speak in October, this is an interesting coincidence:

    As late as the 1960s, tacos were virtually unknown outside Mexico and the American Southwest. Within fifty years the United States had shipped taco shells everywhere from Alaska to Australia, Morocco to Mongolia. But how did this tasty hand-held food--and Mexican food more broadly--become so ubiquitous?

    In Planet Taco, Jeffrey Pilcher traces the historical origins and evolution of Mexico's national cuisine, explores its incarnation as a Mexican American fast-food, shows how surfers became global pioneers of Mexican food, and how Corona beer conquered the world. Pilcher is particularly enlightening on what the history of Mexican food reveals about the uneasy relationship between globalization and authenticity. The burritos and taco shells that many people think of as Mexican were actually created in the United States. But Pilcher argues that the contemporary struggle between globalization and national sovereignty to determine the authenticity of Mexican food goes back hundreds of years. During the nineteenth century, Mexicans searching for a national cuisine were torn between nostalgic "Creole" Hispanic dishes of the past and French haute cuisine, the global food of the day. Indigenous foods were scorned as unfit for civilized tables. Only when Mexican American dishes were appropriated by the fast food industry and carried around the world did Mexican elites rediscover the foods of the ancient Maya and Aztecs and embrace the indigenous roots of their national cuisine.

    From a taco cart in Hermosillo, Mexico to the "Chili Queens" of San Antonio and tamale vendors in L.A., Jeffrey Pilcher follows this highly adaptable cuisine, paying special attention to the people too often overlooked in the battle to define authentic Mexican food: Indigenous Mexicans and Mexican Americans.

    Bio:
    Jeffrey M. Pilcher is Professor of History at the University of Minnesota. He is the author of !Que vivan los tamales! Food and the Making of Mexican Identity; The Sausage Rebellion: Public Health, Private Enterprise, and Meat in Mexico City; and Food in World History. He also edited the Oxford Handbook of Food History.

    Four years ago, I initiated a thread inquiring, "When did you have your first .... [taco]?"
    Cathy2

    "You'll be remembered long after you're dead if you make good gravy, mashed potatoes and biscuits." -- Nathalie Dupree
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