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Source for Gaya (Mexican) vanilla?
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    Post #1 - January 15th, 2011, 4:50 pm
    Post #1 - January 15th, 2011, 4:50 pm Post #1 - January 15th, 2011, 4:50 pm
    So when we were in Puerto Vallarta last year I bought the obligatory bottle of vanilla. And was quite taken aback at how much I liked it. The brand is Gaya and now that our bottle has been exhausted, I am looking to replace it. I've spent some time noodling around on the net and cannot find a quick and easy mail-order source (though undoubtedly one exists). And thus I am led to wonder: I've never noticed it on local shelves before. Does anyone know of a local shop that carries it (as opposed to a local shop that might carry it. I, too, can come up with reasonable suspects but am wondering if anyone knows of a certain local source). Thanks.
    Gypsy Boy

    "I am not a glutton--I am an explorer of food." (Erma Bombeck)
  • Post #2 - January 15th, 2011, 4:56 pm
    Post #2 - January 15th, 2011, 4:56 pm Post #2 - January 15th, 2011, 4:56 pm
    Um, sadly, I seem to recall Alton Brown saying that some Latin American vanillas are processed with tonka bean, a possible carcinogen that isn't allowed in the US - I can't find the Good Eats page, but here is info from the FDA.

    That being said, over the past year we've used an entire half-liter bottle of mexican vanilla extract someone gave us and nobody got cancer, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't do it again.
  • Post #3 - January 15th, 2011, 5:04 pm
    Post #3 - January 15th, 2011, 5:04 pm Post #3 - January 15th, 2011, 5:04 pm
    Well, they have two official U.S. distributors (both in Texas). That tells me, among other things, that they meet FDA standards, so I'll take my chances that it's the real thing. :D
    Gypsy Boy

    "I am not a glutton--I am an explorer of food." (Erma Bombeck)
  • Post #4 - January 15th, 2011, 6:17 pm
    Post #4 - January 15th, 2011, 6:17 pm Post #4 - January 15th, 2011, 6:17 pm
    Mhays wrote:Um, sadly, I seem to recall Alton Brown saying that some Latin American vanillas are processed with tonka bean, a possible carcinogen that isn't allowed in the US - I can't find the Good Eats page, but here is info from the FDA.

    That being said, over the past year we've used an entire half-liter bottle of mexican vanilla extract someone gave us and nobody got cancer, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't do it again.


    The transcript is here: http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Season9/ ... a_tran.htm

    The relevant part is:
    Like chocolate, coffee, and tea, vanilla beans have to be cured before they are of any culinary use whatsoever. Step one, a nice hot bath. Step two, spread the beans out on a blanket in the midday sun, and let them sit all day long. When night comes, roll them up in that blanket, and let them just sweat it out through the long evening. Repeat this process every single day for, eh, three to four months. And then, one morning, you'll wake up, and, lo and behold, you're going to have yourself cured vanilla beans, or pods.

    Although vanilla is commercially grown all over the tropics and in subtropics from Hawaii all the way to New Guinea, there are three classic growing zones, starting with Tahiti. Now this very, very small, very isolated island actually has its own unique variety. It's called Vanilla tahitiensis, I believe, and the beans are very, kind of delicate-looking and extremely fragrant. That's why a lot of folks think they are the cream of the crop worldwide. I happen to think that their flavor is a little bit vanilla, though, and I don't mean in a good way.

    Not true of Mexican beans. Mexican beans I love. Now this is the common Vanilla plantifolia variety. But look at them. I mean they're fat and they're oily. These things remind me of Cuban cigars. They are right down funky. The problem with Mexican beans, though, is getting a good quality supply. They are very erratic. And you never ever want to use vanilla extracts from Mexico because they are often processed with parts of the tonka bean, a filler which tastes like vanilla, but actually contains some rather dangerous carcinogens.

    Now 70% of the vanilla that is gotten here in America actually comes from over here, Madagascar. Now these are technically the same beans as in Central America. That's because they were transplanted here in 1840, okay? Now oddly enough, these beans are often referred to as "bourbon" vanilla beans...
  • Post #5 - January 15th, 2011, 6:52 pm
    Post #5 - January 15th, 2011, 6:52 pm Post #5 - January 15th, 2011, 6:52 pm
    Interesting! My dear aunt, knowing I like to bake, brought me back some Mexican vanilla from a cruise. The brand is Totonac's and the bottle is labelled "meets FDA requirement" and "This product does not contain cumarin".

    It seems that this Tonka bean derivative contains coumarin, the anticoagulant-- used both medically and in rat poison.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cumarin

    Yikes! Aside from whether I believe the label, the stuff smells nasty to me-- more like suntan oil than vanilla. I think I'll stick to Costco vanilla.

    Jen
  • Post #6 - January 17th, 2011, 8:11 pm
    Post #6 - January 17th, 2011, 8:11 pm Post #6 - January 17th, 2011, 8:11 pm
    The Spice House has vanilla extract made in the U.S. from Mexican vanilla beans, and also sells the beans themselves.
  • Post #7 - January 18th, 2011, 11:29 am
    Post #7 - January 18th, 2011, 11:29 am Post #7 - January 18th, 2011, 11:29 am
    I too got the vanilla when I went to Cozumel. I have almost used it up with no ill effects. Frankly I don't see anything really special about it. The Nielson Massey brand is just as good or better in my book.
    Toria

    "I like this place and willingly could waste my time in it" - As You Like It,
    W. Shakespeare
  • Post #8 - January 18th, 2011, 12:21 pm
    Post #8 - January 18th, 2011, 12:21 pm Post #8 - January 18th, 2011, 12:21 pm
    We always bring back vanilla from PV (and other parts of Mexico) when we visit. The key is to look for the brands that contain no coumarin. Even more important, though, is to look at the ingredients before you buy. Many brands include corn syrup, sugar or other additives. You want the ingredients to read vanilla bean (extract), alcohol, maybe water and nothing else.

    The brand we've been using for at least the last five years is Orlando Vainilla Natural. It's organically grown and readily available in most of the markets in PV and via mail order on their website.

    P.S. My exhaustive, years long search of local Mexican markets has yielded nothing but artificial or adulterated vanilla, leading me to believe that pure vanilla extract from Mexico is not locally available unless you're willing to pay exorbitantly for it at places like The Spice House or Fox & Obel, which is not a bad thing if you're not used to only paying only a few $$$ for it in Mexico.
    Steve Z.

    “Only the pure in heart can make a good soup.”
    ― Ludwig van Beethoven

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