The Sandwich Alignment Chart -- Discuss

I'm not a purist, but I sure ain't no radical sandwich anarchist.

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For me, it depends on the sandwich. For example, when it comes to hot dogs, I'm a purest. Must be natural casing Vienna dog with mustard, relish, onions & sport peppers only. When it comes to some cheffy construct, I'm open to nearly anything.

stevez wrote:For me, it depends on the sandwich. For example, when it comes to hot dogs, I'm a purest. Must be natural casing Vienna dog with mustard, relish, onions & sport peppers only. When it comes to some cheffy construct, I'm open to nearly anything.

What the H?! Are you saying a hot dog is a sandwich? Because in many circles, even that's a gigantic, questionable presumption!

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Back in the day, when I worked on the McDonald's account at one of their ad agencies, it was a real adjustment to get used to the way they internally called their hamburgers "sandwiches."

ronnie_suburban wrote:

stevez wrote:For me, it depends on the sandwich. For example, when it comes to hot dogs, I'm a purest. Must be natural casing Vienna dog with mustard, relish, onions & sport peppers only. When it comes to some cheffy construct, I'm open to nearly anything.

What the H?! Are you saying a hot dog is a sandwich? Because in many circles, even that's a gigantic, questionable presumption!

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If it's got something in the middle of bread, it's a sandwich...even if it's a wish sandwich.

stevez wrote:

ronnie_suburban wrote:

stevez wrote:For me, it depends on the sandwich. For example, when it comes to hot dogs, I'm a purest. Must be natural casing Vienna dog with mustard, relish, onions & sport peppers only. When it comes to some cheffy construct, I'm open to nearly anything.

What the H?! Are you saying a hot dog is a sandwich? Because in many circles, even that's a gigantic, questionable presumption!

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If it's got something in the middle of bread, it's a sandwich...even if it's a wish sandwich.

LOL - but it's a bun, not bread. Is pizza just an open-face sandwich? How does pizza crust differ from a bun in its not actually being bread?

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ronnie_suburban wrote:

stevez wrote:

ronnie_suburban wrote:What the H?! Are you saying a hot dog is a sandwich? Because in many circles, even that's a gigantic, questionable presumption!
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If it's got something in the middle of bread, it's a sandwich...even if it's a wish sandwich.

LOL - but it's a bun, not bread. Is pizza just an open-face sandwich? How does pizza crust differ from a bun in its not actually being bread?

Since I read the columns and rows before looking at the cross-sections, and found myself as neutral-neutral hot dog = sandwich, I'll make the case for distinguishing pizza.

The bun differs from crust in terms of its role in coming to the final product that is eaten. A pizza merges the bread into the ingredients, they are cooked together for the final product. I would therefore classify a pizza-bagel as a sandwich, but pizza is not a sandwich. As for not allowing the obvious "panini or an oven-toasted grinder isn't a sandwich under your definition then" to defeat me, again, the bread is baked prior to its marriage with the other ingredients. Contemporaneous cooking of bread and ingredients is rarely a sandwich.

Nigiri is not an open-faced sandwich either.

bweiny wrote:Nigiri is not an open-faced sandwich either.

I think that's a fair point about the distinguishing differences between a bun and pizza crust. But what about a wrap? If a hot dog is a sandwich, isn't a wrap also a sandwich?

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ronnie_suburban wrote:

bweiny wrote:Nigiri is not an open-faced sandwich either.

I think that's a fair point about the distinguishing differences between a bun and pizza crust. But what about a wrap? If a hot dog is a sandwich, isn't a wrap also a sandwich?

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Yes, at least in my book a wrap is a sandwich. Pizza, being flat and having ingredients on top of, rather than inside the bread, is not a sandwich (if you're talking about the abomination known as "stuffed pizza", that is neither sandwich nor pizza nor edible).

ronnie_suburban wrote:I think that's a fair point about the distinguishing differences between a bun and pizza crust. But what about a wrap? If a hot dog is a sandwich, isn't a wrap also a sandwich?
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In my opinion a wrap and burrito are sandwiches. If you look at the description of "Structure Neutral" the tortilla is a clear fit. In that regard, I find the first two "Structure Rebel" examples to not be rebellious at all. I would suggest a breadbowl chili with cheese and steak/chicken nachos respectively for the bottom row.

Wraps, burritos, tacos, doner . . . absolutely not sandwiches. A hot dog, perhaps. I guess for me, actual bread contributes mightily to the standard of identity but even that's a slippery slope since pita is actual bread.

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ronnie_suburban wrote:

stevez wrote:For me, it depends on the sandwich. For example, when it comes to hot dogs, I'm a purest. Must be natural casing Vienna dog with mustard, relish, onions & sport peppers only. When it comes to some cheffy construct, I'm open to nearly anything.

What the H?! Are you saying a hot dog is a sandwich? Because in many circles, even that's a gigantic, questionable presumption!

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Forget all this sandwich debate, and let's give you an A+ for the Norm Macdonald reference!!

WhyBeeSea wrote:Forget all this sandwich debate, and let's give you an A+ for the Norm Macdonald reference!!

Thank you

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I'm mostly of the opinion that wraps aren't sandwiches, that tacos aren't sandwiches, but feel a little ambiguous about gorditas (definitely not sopes), and pita sandwiches -- only those that open the loaf up (yes to Pita Inn/Naf Naf, no to most Gyros places).

Pizza can be the *bread* of a sandwich, if you put something between two slices (folding doesn't count -- then it's a wrap).

The Bun issue should be a no-brainer: if an Italian Beef Sandwich is a sandwich (it says so right in the name), then any partially-sliced-open roll becomes a sandwich.

ronnie_suburban wrote:Wraps, burritos, tacos, doner . . . absolutely not sandwiches. A hot dog, perhaps. I guess for me, actual bread contributes mightily to the standard of identity but even that's a slippery slope since pita is actual bread.
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In honor of the recently celebrated Passover Seder, I would submit that the Korech settled the issue of a rudimentary sandwich 2000 years ago. Unleavened bread is not fatal to the classification.

I knew my father was right referring to chopped liver on matzah as an open-faced sandwich!

ronnie_suburban wrote:Wraps, burritos, tacos, doner . . . absolutely not sandwiches. A hot dog, perhaps. I guess for me, actual bread contributes mightily to the standard of identity but even that's a slippery slope since pita is actual bread.

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I wouldn't have pegged you as such a structural purist, Ron! I'm in the structural neutralist camp. But I think one can stretch the definition of "sandwich" too far. Clearly, tacos, wraps, etc. are in related categories, but they are not sandwiches.

bweiny wrote:

ronnie_suburban wrote:Wraps, burritos, tacos, doner . . . absolutely not sandwiches. A hot dog, perhaps. I guess for me, actual bread contributes mightily to the standard of identity but even that's a slippery slope since pita is actual bread.
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In honor of the recently celebrated Passover Seder, I would submit that the Korech settled the issue of a rudimentary sandwich 2000 years ago. Unleavened bread is not fatal to the classification.

I knew my father was right referring to chopped liver on matzah as an open-faced sandwich!

LOL, yes. The Hillel sandwich is quite possibly the most disappointing sandwich of all time but I suppose that doesn't discount its sandwichityness.

EvA wrote:I wouldn't have pegged you as such a structural purist, Ron!

Me neither. I'm not really sure where I stand. I'm just going to keep arguing both sides until I figure out what I actually believe. Until then, count me as a sandwich agnostic.

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ronnie_suburban wrote:LOL, yes. The Hillel sandwich is quite possibly the most disappointing sandwich of all time but I suppose that doesn't discount its sandwichityness.

It's not the apples+horseradish that makes it sad, it's the lack of a protein that goes with it. Put a slice of brisket on there, and you've pretty much got tafelspitz, the national dish of Austria.

PQM banh mi = chaotic evil

cilantro wrote:PQM banh mi = chaotic evil

LMAO! Love the AD&D reference!

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stevez wrote:If it's got something in the middle of bread, it's a sandwich...even if it's a wish sandwich.

I'll have a broccoli-cheddar soup sandwich, please, hold the mayo.

Kman wrote:

stevez wrote:If it's got something in the middle of bread, it's a sandwich...even if it's a wish sandwich.

I'll have a broccoli-cheddar soup sandwich, please, hold the mayo.

I'll amend what I said to specify something that isn't liquid.

stevez wrote:I'll amend what I said to specify something that isn't liquid.

What about the gravy bread Hammond has been posting on Facebook causing much keyboard drool? Is that a sandwich, or just wet bread? Is Nduja a liquid or a solid? How about ketchup sandwiches?

How about thermodynamic phase changes, like Sloppy Joe? Cuz it ain't a solid when done right.