Changing to Mircle Whip

I wanna be cool too...Anybody ever try this Mircle Whip?..My wife, and one kid of ours say it's horrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piGHDlzMmIo

Well -- everything the ad says is true -- it has it's own flavor, and you definitely know when it has been used instead of mayo. However, I don't see these as positives.

Silas Jayne wrote:I wanna be cool too...Anybody ever try this Mircle Whip?..My wife, and one kid of ours say it's horrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piGHDlzMmIo

My in-laws have always used it instead of mayo. It is sweet and I really loathe it. What a way to ruin potato salad.

I'm fairly rebelous, so I think i'll give it a try

If the commercials can be believed, using Miracle Whip will bring down our nation's corrupt power structure.

stewed coot wrote:Miracle Whip is clearly the pus of Lucifer.

Really, it ruins everything it touches.

I'm actually on a Miracle Whip kick as we speak. Pretty interesting considering I'm from the south & Duke & Hellman's rule there. I use a thin smear on sandwiches. I wouldn't use it in potato salad, at least not southern-style potato salad.

I like the tang. It is nostalgia, a lot like unfrosted blueberry pop tarts

seebee wrote:

stewed coot wrote:Miracle Whip is clearly the pus of Lucifer.

Really, it ruins everything it touches.

Hear, hear. Being served Miracle Whip on a sandwich would be grounds for sending it back. That some people consider that sugary goo to be interchangeable with mayonnaise boggles my mind.

seebee wrote:

stewed coot wrote:Miracle Whip is clearly the pus of Lucifer.

Really, it ruins everything it touches.

Further proof that it is evil stuff?



It makes kittens sad, true story.

Does anyone know the story behind how those insipidly sweet, disgusting globs of goo like Miracle Whip became known as "Salad Dressings?" I certainly would not be able to even watch somebody eat a salad with miracle whip on top of it. And potato salad, cole slaw, or pasta salad - is absolutely vile with that stuff on it. I cannot even stomach the smell of those orville kent salads you can purchase at most grocery stores, and a lot of restaurants use these days. Just sugary, gloppy, vile globs of garbage that I couldn't eat if you paid me.

seebee wrote:Does anyone know the story behind how those insipidly sweet, disgusting globs of goo like Miracle Whip became known as "Salad Dressings?" I certainly would not be able to even watch somebody eat a salad with miracle whip on top of it. And potato salad, cole slaw, or pasta salad - is absolutely vile with that stuff on it. I cannot even stomach the smell of those orville kent salads you can purchase at most grocery stores, and a lot of restaurants use these days. Just sugary, gloppy, vile globs of garbage that I couldn't eat if you paid me.

I always assumed that Kraft could not call it mayonnaise due to regulations but could get away with calling it "salad dressing." Now checking the infallible Wikipedia, I see that MW was in fact developed as a cheaper version of mayo. Agree totally that it is inedible. Many years ago, I found its use by my future mother-in-law a clear sign of her limitations as a cook.

The only other thing I can think of related to this is an episode of "Fawlty Towers" where there is an annoying child insisting that he doesn't want mayonnaise, and insists on "salad cream" -- it must be the British term for the same thing.

I know that jars of both mayo and MW existed in my parents' fridge, and while they may have used either on sandwiches, I used neither.
I've grown to appreciate mayo as an ingredient in certain dips, dressings and sauces, and MW to me is sort of mayo's carob -- there's no point.

JoelF wrote:The only other thing I can think of related to this is an episode of "Fawlty Towers" where there is an annoying child insisting that he doesn't want mayonnaise, and insists on "salad cream" -- it must be the British term for the same thing.

Actually, for many years (at least back in the days when I was a student in England), the two options for salads were vinaigrette and salad cream. Salad cream is sort of like Miracle Whip with pickle relish mixed in. Things have improved greatly, but in a country where there wasn't really any climate for growing massive amounts of lettuce, as in our California, there was no point in getting too carried away with inventing salad dressings. (Recent advances in transportation have made lettuce vastly more available, with much of it coming in from the Middle East. As a result, there are now lots more salad dressing options, even outside of restaurants.) Not liking salad cream, I didn't eat a lot of green salads while I was living in the UK. (Also, as we have discussed in another thread, salad doesn't actually mean leafy green things, it just means "any of various small, usually cold dishes," which is why hummus and olives are served as salad in the Middle East, and why we call little bits of tuna mixed with mayo "tuna salad." Leafy green things are "lettuce salad" or "green salad." Actually, in Australia, they're even a step further from the original meaning of salad, and Aussie friends were horrified to be served chicken with mayo when they ordered chicken salad, because in Oz, chicken salad is just chicken on top of leafy greens.)

As for my own tastes, I have actually had Miracle Whip in some applications where it was not objectionable. It's just that you need to know ahead of time. The worst situation is piling on what you think is mayo and then taking a bite and finding it's MW (the first time this happened to me, I was away at camp -- and I didn't even know MW existed -- I just thought something had gone terribly wrong with their mayo). It is not that MW is horrible, it's just that it's completely different from mayo in taste, and the two are not interchangeable.

Cynthia wrote:The worst situation is piling on what you think is mayo and then taking a bite and finding it's MW (the first time this happened to me, I was away at camp -- and I didn't even know MW existed -- I just thought something had gone terribly wrong with their mayo). It is not that MW is horrible, it's just that it's completely different from mayo in taste, and the two are not interchangeable.

Bingo! This started to happen to me when I was about seven years old and had deviled eggs at a party that tasted like they were made with saccharined essence of embalmed squirrel cadaver sweepings and I was all, WTF, (yes, I thought in profane 133+5pe4k even in the 80s), since I was habituated to my family's versions made with pure, vasculoinsulatory Hellmann's mayo.

The worst offense of this type has to be when I was offered elotes (from a cart, in another city) drenched in Miracle Whip. I cried bitter citrus tears into the street.

I note that like Blagojevich and Styx, Miracle Whip is the unholy spawn of Illinois. I'd first like to know if Rene or others can get a hold of a menu or photograph of Max Crosset(t)'s Cafe in Salem, since I'd like to know which food item of his called for his "X-tra Fine Salad Dressing." I'd then like seebee to confab with sazerac to see if there is a way to go back in time to prevent this abomination. Destructive dust devils and angry mobs chasing Mormons across the state line are replete in our historic record, and one more simple incident like this popping up in the textbooks shouldn't upset the time travel police overmuch.

Miracle Whip is clearly the emulsified bile of Bealzibub.

UPDATE: I tried it and I hated it. Besides looking cool in the fridge I see no value in it at all.

Santander wrote: I'd then like seebee to confab with sazerac to see if there is a way to go back in time to prevent this abomination.

An exercise in futility, I'm afraid. The Kraft Company would find a way to add sugar to mayo eventually. They have a knack for finding ways to add sugar to most of their product line - not their FAULT, however, as they cater to what their customers want. Their "creamy" bottled salad dressings could be frozen and seemlessly added to the Jones Soda lines as milkshakes. Creamy Garlic, Creamy Cucumber, Bleu Cheese, Ranch. All sickeningly sweet. I have had plenty of ice cream with a less sugary taste as all of these. <shiver> Seriously, the thoughts of miracle whip, and kraft salad dressings honestly give me the heebie jeebies. Along the lines of others comments of being duped by miracle whip instead of mayo, the same kinda thing can happen with salad dressings on salads. Sugary salad dressings are grounds for a returned salad. I'm not sure whose idea it was to add gobs of sugar to a salad, but I'll take a pass on that.

If I could go back in time, I think I'd concentrate more on having the winning horses in the races, creating fast food chains, or, producing porn.

Sorry, I really don't know where that last one came from, but it made me laugh.

My understanding about how Kraft (any many other companies) formulates is that they perform regular cost rationalizations. So, they start out with a formula, and at pre-determined intervals, they review the ingredients in that product and try to reformulate it in order to reduce its cost of production, while keeping the product as close to its original incarnation as possible.

The goal (which makes perfect sense, if you are answering mainly to shareholders) is to stretch the margin on the buy side rather than the sell side because they know they have to be competitve on the shelf, no matter what. Where consumer preference comes into play is that they use it (i.e. focus groups) to gauge the differences between the original/current product and the various prospective reformulations. They end up choosing the reformulation which saves them the most money and that is least noticeable among consumers. So, over the years, all their products continue to change, a little bit at a time. 1978's Miracle Whip is an offshoot of 1977's version, and so on. The Miracle Whip of today is only slightly different than the previous formulation but it's probably a lot different than the original recipe.

If you never liked it, you're probably not going to like it now. But there is a chance that if you used to like it, you may not like it anymore. And of course, there's also a chance that if you used like it, you still do (and may not have even noticed the subtle and continual changes over the years).

=R=

When I worked at Kraft, the explanation was that it was created as a lower-fat substitute for mayo. As with almost all low-fat products, if you take something out, you have to put something else (usually sugar) in, so it still has some taste. It was introduced at the 1933 Worlds Fair, and was an instant hit. (It sometimes seems that any food substance introduced at a Worlds Fair becomes successful.)

The thing that astonished me was that, according to the marketing department, at least when I was there, Kraft could stay afloat on Miracle Whip and Velveeta, even if they stopped selling all their other products. So clearly, someone likes the stuff.

Santander wrote:(yes, I thought in profane 133+5pe4k even in the 80s)

133+5pe4k?! 133+5pe4k?! omgwtfbbq

No wai r u 1337 d00d. u mite sp34k m00n t4lk gud, but n0t 1337. + insted of 7, lol


I'm not sure what hurts more - writing that, or writing it so easily. In any event, looking back I realized that my parents stocked Miracle Whip almost exclusively when I was growing up - actual mayo was a rarity. Truly, I have overcome

It's like thier are 2 kinds of people in the world. Mayo people and Miricle Whip people and i'm proud to be a mayo person. I don't care how uncool it is

GO BEARS

Three kinds of people. My wife uses Miracle Whip on sandwiches.
But any recipe that calls for mayonnaise is made with half Miracle Whip
and half mayonnaise. (Potato salad, tuna salad, etc.)

I had never had Miracle Whip until I married her and still use mayo exclusively
on my sandwiches. And since I know she'll never read this, I use
mayo to make the above dishes. She has never noticed the difference.

ucjames wrote:

Santander wrote:(yes, I thought in profane 133+5pe4k even in the 80s)

133+5pe4k?! 133+5pe4k?! omgwtfbbq

No wai r u 1337 d00d. u mite sp34k m00n t4lk gud, but n0t 1337. + insted of 7, lol


I'm not sure what hurts more - writing that, or writing it so easily. In any event, looking back I realized that my parents stocked Miracle Whip almost exclusively when I was growing up - actual mayo was a rarity. Truly, I have overcome

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Cynthia wrote:When I worked at Kraft, the explanation was that it was created as a lower-fat substitute for mayo. As with almost all low-fat products, if you take something out, you have to put something else (usually sugar) in, so it still has some taste. It was introduced at the 1933 Worlds Fair, and was an instant hit.

There's a lot of misinformation floating around about Miracle Whip, even within Kraft. For example, Wikipedia quotes a Danish Kraft site that claims the product was based on a recipe Kraft bought from Max Crossett's downstate diner.

I did a number of interviews with Kraft within the past year, and their archivist stated categorically that the Crossett story was untrue. She said although Kraft did buy a number of dressing recipes during that period, Miracle Whip was developed in-house as "a unique new blending of a traditional mayonnaise and a boiled salad dressing," and that the idea was to use new technology the firm had invented to make something "less expensive to Depression-weary consumers."

Since no one was very concerned about dietary fats back in 1933, the lower cost explanation makes more sense than that they set out to create a low-fat product. And boiled dressing, which contains sugar, is a venerable recipe dating to at least the 19th century. (I believe that Heinz Salad Cream, beloved in Britain, is closer to classic boiled dressing than to Miracle Whip.)

My refrigerator contains both mayonnaise and Miracle Whip. I like the tang of Miracle Whip in some uses, and the mellowness of mayo in others, just as I like yellow mustard for some uses and Dijon for others. Why should I have to be limited in my condiment choices?

It isn't that there are mayonnaise people and Miracle Whip people -- it's that there are anti-Miracle Whip bigots and everybody else. I've never heard anyone who likes Miracle Whip express vehement hatred for mayonnaise nor cast aspersions on the taste of people who eat it.

Santander wrote:K3nn>=Z is going to kill me now.

This looks like it might have something to do with me, but it's written in Tweeterer code language, so I don't get it.

Kennyz wrote:

Santander wrote:K3nn>=Z is going to kill me now.

This looks like it might have something to do with me, but it's written in Tweeterer code language, so I don't get it.

Strangely enough, you're actually unfairly insulting Twits, or Tweeterers, or whatever one might wish to call them here It's more of an online gaming dialect used primarily by young males.

I also grew up with Miracle wHIP but now prefer real Mayo except in my mothers potato salad, which she makes with a combo of miracle whip and garlic french dressing.
we call it the "pink potato salad" even tho it's more a light orange.
I really like it, probably because I grew up with it.
But that's it for me...

My wife told me she'd never be married to a Miricle Whip'r and after tasting it I can see why.
It's horrible

I'm a proud Miracle Whip bigot.

ucjames wrote:

Kennyz wrote:

Santander wrote:K3nn>=Z is going to kill me now.

This looks like it might have something to do with me, but it's written in Tweeterer code language, so I don't get it.

Strangely enough, you're actually unfairly insulting Twits, or Tweeterers, or whatever one might wish to call them here It's more of an online gaming dialect used primarily by young males.

Apologies, Kenny.

Somewhere in Chicago there is a taxicab on duty, most usually in the Loop, with the call number of thirten-thirty-seven. I've come across it maybe four times in the past ten years, and was able to ride in it once. This cab is the source of great joy for me and for many of my brethren, since it is the 1337 taxi. 1337 is the cornerstone of leetspeak, a substitutionary alphabet for English (and lately, other languages like transliterated Russian) for obnoxious geek people. If you look carefully, you'll see 1337 can be parsed as "leet," short for elite, as in those with elite internets skills, and originally those with elite status and user access on bulletin board systems, like stevez here.* Those of us with too much time on our hands write certain self-amusing lines with numbers that look like letters in video games and on messageboards, and incorporate common misspellings (like "teh" for "the," or "vodak" for "vodka") into our exchanges, further encoded as 73h, \/0d4k, w4rez, or b4yl355 15 g0d omg.

James took issue with my initial statement that I already swore in leetspeak in 1985 since I rendered it as "133+," using a plus sign instead of a seven for the terminal "t." I replied that the dialect is evolving, and my tribe uses variant characters for voiceless alveolar plosives. Recalling how you object to even basic internet shorthand like that used by Ronnie, I posited that you were contemplating my demise, and am even more correct after this post.

Also and more topically, M1r4C13 \/\/h1p |3L0\/\/5 <hu|\|k5.

*note: this is a joke. There are no special user groups on LTH, and stevez is too nice to be counted as an obnoxious geek person. Plus, he was at Woodstock. There is a secret headquarters and swimming pool, however, that you get passes to when you hit the 2000 post plateau, but after the hazing, I'm not sure it's worth it. I'm still shaking malort out of various orifices and clothing items a month later.