YoYoPedro wrote:Definitely NOT threadjacking, at least not trying to. As a fellow lover of Hendrick's gin (and many others), I'm curious what ratio you request your martinis to be made? I always specify a 4-to-1 ratio, and it surprises the heck out of the bartenders. They seem to think I am ruining the drink by insisting on the addition of vermouth, and I often have to explain from whence the drink came, in terms of history. As a former bar manager in my youth, it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine that so many bartenders don't know that if you don't specify otherwise, a martini is always made with gin. And that a martini without vermouth is called "just gin" in a martini glass.
PIGMON wrote:In fact, not only is Mavrantonis incredibly serious about the high quality of his oysters but last I heard, he was part of a team that holds the World record for oyster shucking (something like 16,000 in 12 hours).
YoYoPedro wrote:As a fellow lover of Hendrick's gin (and many others), I'm curious what ratio you request your martinis to be made? I always specify a 4-to-1 ratio, and it surprises the heck out of the bartenders. They seem to think I am ruining the drink by insisting on the addition of vermouth, and I often have to explain from whence the drink came, in terms of history. As a former bar manager in my youth, it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine that so many bartenders don't know that if you don't specify otherwise, a martini is always made with gin. And that a martini without vermouth is called "just gin" in a martini glass.
Rafa wrote:...have you ever tryed Citadelle gin?
PIGMON wrote:YoYoPedro wrote:As a fellow lover of Hendrick's gin (and many others), I'm curious what ratio you request your martinis to be made? I always specify a 4-to-1 ratio, and it surprises the heck out of the bartenders. They seem to think I am ruining the drink by insisting on the addition of vermouth, and I often have to explain from whence the drink came, in terms of history. As a former bar manager in my youth, it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine that so many bartenders don't know that if you don't specify otherwise, a martini is always made with gin. And that a martini without vermouth is called "just gin" in a martini glass.Rafa wrote:...have you ever tryed Citadelle gin?
My preference for Hendrick’s is largely due to the fact that they don’t overdo the botanicals. (Examples of botanicals used by various gin makers include such things as coriander seed, lemon, cucumber, cardamom, fennel, anise, caraway, orange peel, and even nutmeg.)
Hendrick’s has a soft and delicate use of these non-juniper elements, with the dominant flavoring agent being cucumber. So many of the more “designer” or expensive gins out there, such as Citadelle, have far too aggressive amounts of botanicals and I find myself getting rapid palate fatigue, even after just one cocktail.
As time goes on, my preference for gins with less floral elements become far more desirable. If a bar or restaurant doesn’t offer Hendrick’s, I’m more apt to order an English gin such a REGULAR Bombay or Beefeaters, Boodles, Plymouth, etc., where the taste of juniper is prevalent; especially with oysters. Many of the French or Dutch made gins are way too over-the-top in their use of botanicals.
I don’t think that most of the premium, smoother gins made today (from anywhere) are designed to necessarily be enhanced by use of any vermouth whatsoever. Often times I suspect that adding vermouth to a today's “martini” is a tradition left over from a past era where a completely different style of gin was used. But that’s just a guess.
So, like CG, I like my Hendrick’s, sans vermouth with a lemon twist served cool, but not slushy or broken. A smaller martini glass not only makes a more civilized cocktail, and therefore a more civilized PIGMON (whuh?), but you are never left with a little pool of warm gin at the bottom of your fishbowl. Part of the appeal of gin is the weight of it, and shaking a premium gin, is just rude—to the customer and the gin. Stirring a martini to chill it down a bit gives the gin more than enough dilution. I would also add that I don’t like using olives as a garnish with Hendrick's, because I think the olive’s oil works in direct competition with its cucumber-y, citric profile, not in tandem.
PIGMON wrote:YoYoPedro wrote:As a fellow lover of Hendrick's gin (and many others), I'm curious what ratio you request your martinis to be made? I always specify a 4-to-1 ratio, and it surprises the heck out of the bartenders. They seem to think I am ruining the drink by insisting on the addition of vermouth, and I often have to explain from whence the drink came, in terms of history. As a former bar manager in my youth, it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine that so many bartenders don't know that if you don't specify otherwise, a martini is always made with gin. And that a martini without vermouth is called "just gin" in a martini glass.Rafa wrote:...have you ever tryed Citadelle gin?
My preference for Hendrick’s is largely due to the fact that they don’t overdo the botanicals. (Examples of botanicals used by various gin makers include such things as coriander seed, lemon, cucumber, cardamom, fennel, anise, caraway, orange peel, and even nutmeg.)
Hendrick’s has a soft and delicate use of these non-juniper elements, with the dominant flavoring agent being cucumber. So many of the more “designer” or expensive gins out there, such as Citadelle, have far too aggressive amounts of botanicals and I find myself getting rapid palate fatigue, even after just one cocktail.
As time goes on, my preference for gins with less floral elements become far more desirable. If a bar or restaurant doesn’t offer Hendrick’s, I’m more apt to order an English gin such a REGULAR Bombay or Beefeaters, Boodles, Plymouth, etc., where the taste of juniper is prevalent; especially with oysters. Many of the French or Dutch made gins are way too over-the-top in their use of botanicals.
I don’t think that most of the premium, smoother gins made today (from anywhere) are designed to necessarily be enhanced by use of any vermouth whatsoever. Often times I suspect that adding vermouth to a today's “martini” is a tradition left over from a past era where a completely different style of gin was used. But that’s just a guess.
So, like CG, I like my Hendrick’s, sans vermouth with a lemon twist served cool, but not slushy or broken. A smaller martini glass not only makes a more civilized cocktail, and therefore a more civilized PIGMON (whuh?), but you are never left with a little pool of warm gin at the bottom of your fishbowl. Part of the appeal of gin is the weight of it, and shaking a premium gin, is just rude—to the customer and the gin. Stirring a martini to chill it down a bit gives the gin more than enough dilution. I would also add that I don’t like using olives as a garnish with Hendrick's, because I think the olive’s oil works in direct competition with its cucumber-y, citric profile, not in tandem.
crrush wrote:As for the Hendriks...I'll have to disagree completely. The heavy cucumber-y taste kills it.
The Oyster Whisperer walks
Fulton's on the River executive chef and shellfish savant Mark Mavrantonis reports that Saturday was his last day at the gargantuan Levy Restaurants-managed steak and seafood house.
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