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    Post #1 - November 8th, 2004, 3:13 pm
    Post #1 - November 8th, 2004, 3:13 pm Post #1 - November 8th, 2004, 3:13 pm
    Hi, I'm a freelance writer looking at the (3121 N. Milwaukee) Red Apple diner's all-you-can-eat Polish buffet as a cultural landmark in Chicago, and I'd like to hear outside opinions.

    Has anyone been going to the Red Apple (Czerwone Jabluszko) for many years?

    What are your favorite items in the buffet?

    How do you think it compares with other Polish diners in Chicago?

    Thanks for your time, and I'd love to hear your thoughts. I've been published in the Washington Post and the Houston Chronicle's Sunday magazine.

    Thank you!

    Best,
    Catherine
  • Post #2 - November 8th, 2004, 3:19 pm
    Post #2 - November 8th, 2004, 3:19 pm Post #2 - November 8th, 2004, 3:19 pm
    I'd like you to tell me why exactly you are focusing on Red Apple? I mean why exactly is Red Apple constantly cited in the catagory: Chicago Polish buffet.

    I mean I know why, to a certain extent you or any other journalist cites it, because someone else already did. Grota, for instance has never, as far as I know, been mentioned in Chicago Magazine. Yet, there had to be a first time. Was it just luck that Red Apple got to be the standard bearer, coincidence?

    Rob
  • Post #3 - November 8th, 2004, 3:43 pm
    Post #3 - November 8th, 2004, 3:43 pm Post #3 - November 8th, 2004, 3:43 pm
    Just so there's no confusion, I'm not writing for Chicago magazine.

    Actually, I didn't know about Grota. I've heard about the Red Apple from friends who ate there, and (secondly) from a Trib article about the strip of Milwaukee through Avondale.

    However, I'd definitely be interested in hearing nominations for good Polish food in Chicago. I travel by CTA, so I'd rather stay in the city whenever possible.

    Thanks.
  • Post #4 - November 8th, 2004, 3:52 pm
    Post #4 - November 8th, 2004, 3:52 pm Post #4 - November 8th, 2004, 3:52 pm
    Hi,

    There was a long ago thread on interesting thread on Polish restaurants in Chicago. Note Anna Sobor is quite knowledgeable on Polish food, she recommended Szalas.

    Earlier this year, I posted on Szalas, which I went to reluctantly and enjoyed immensely:

    Cathy2, April 13, 2004 wrote:Hi!

    All I planned to do Saturday evening was to go to Easter vigil. It is especially moving to see an adult embrace their new religion, to be baptized and confirmed in one evening, which took me 14 years to accomplish. Alas, I am a person who is very open to suggestions and willingly change plans on a dime.

    Instead of attending my local church, I joined my friends Helen, RST and ErikM to observe the beautiful ceremony of the blessing of baskets at the magnificent St Volodymyr & Olha in Ukrainian Village. RST wrote a bit about this lovely and moving tradition last year in his post:

    http://www.chowhound.com/midwest/boards ... 23628.html

    Afterwards, the classic discussion of where we wanted to eat was mercifully brief. RST firmly wanted to go to Szalas Restaurant recommended by Anna Sobor late last year. The rest of us were not quite as enthusiastic but exhausted from having our ideas shot down, we reluctantly decided to at least check it out.

    Szalas Restaurant has an interesting hunting lodge presence on Archer Avenue within sight of Bobak's. As you approach the front door, you are directed to pull a rope, which rings a bell inside to alert someone to open the door. As you enter, you see many interesting visual details: hunting trophies, antique farm implements, a water wheel, an antique car suspended over the main dining area and lots of light wood paneling with details cut in decorative shapes.

    After we sat at our table, ErikM spied a little room on the balcony for private parties. Against the wall, behind our table were several antique sleighs with velvet cushions arranged as dining tables. These sleighs were aesthetically appealing but not very practical as dining tables. Unless you like to lean forward while sitting on the edge of your cushion to eat.

    We began our order with a few appetizers:

    - Moskol, which was described as Polish Pitas. I googled a recipe which indicates it is mashed potatoes with the addition of flour, egg, sour cream and butter which is beaten until smooth, then form into rounds which are cooked on a hot dry griddle for 3 minutes on each side. These were served cut into wedges, then you spread fresh sheep milk cheese (ser z owcy) or lard (smalec.) The seasoned lard was from pork with chunks of meat. We agreed it was very unusual and very delicious!

    - Herring with mustard sauce was three herring filets spread with mustard and rolled. Sitting in a vinaigrette with slivered onions, which ErikM and I kept dipping the (Weber) rye bread into.

    Each entree had an option of two soups, however they also offered soup by the bowl as well as by the cauldron. The soups by the cauldron were suggested for two, however it was a reasonable portion for four people. We chose the Hunter Stew (Bigos Mysliwski), which is hot sauerkraut with grilled sausage, bacon, pork and onion in light tomato sauce. What they failed to mention was the addition of pineapple! Helen was the first to identify it, which I admit I did not believe initially until she fished a piece out for me to inspect. Despite the exotic ingredient, this was a very sturdy, earthy soup, which we enjoyed to the last drop.

    For our entrees, I had Pierogi, which you could choose from (farmer's) cheese, cheese and potato, sauerkraut and mushroom, potato and meat. I choose 6 of cheese and potato and 6 of sauerkraut and mushroom, which were all clearly hand made. I felt there was an English comprehension issue with our waitress, which was confirmed when my potato and cheese Pierogi morphed into cheese only. Not a big issue, not one I bothered to address. At ErikM's suggestion, I had mushroom gravy on my Pierogi.

    My friend Helen had Lamb Shank (Gicz Barania) with potato dumplings in a vegetable sauce. The quantity of lamb was very generous, which Helen cheerfully shared.

    RST ordered what I plan to have next time: Highlander's Special (Placek po Zbojnicku) which was a very large potato pancake (maybe 8 inch diameters) filled with beef goulash, folded over and sprinkled with cheese. From the samples he shared with us, it was a fabulous combination of taste and texture.

    ErikM ordered 'Shepard' Cutlet Stuffed with Sheep Cheese (Kotlet Bacowski Faszerowany Owczym Serem), which was breaded pork cutlet stuffed with sheep cheese. I'm sure Erik will comment himself on this dish. In fact, he had the distinction of being the only one to finish his dinner this evening.

    For side dishes, we had red beets with horseradish (which would have been tastier with MORE horseradish), Cucumber (Sour cream) Salad, Carrot salad with grated apples and red cabbage salad.

    Dessert was somewhat disappointing as the poppy seed cake was out. The cake offered was ok and would have been better had I not known I missed the poppy cake!

    Those of us who reluctantly followed RST's lead, via Anna Sobol, were very glad he dug in his heals. I was on the phone the next morning advising my Polish friends of this restaurant we just have to go to.

    &&&

    For those out and about during the day, the lunch menu served Monday-Friday from 11 AM to 3 PM offers potatoes pancakes, pork chop sandwich served with horseradish sauce on rye bread, scrambled egg and sausage sandwich, European apple pancakes and Stuffed Cabbage Rolls fried in butter.

    This place is very close to Midway Airport. Perhaps a stop for lunch before heading out?

    Christ has risen!
    Cathy2

    Szalas Restaurant
    5214 South Archer Avenue
    Chicago, IL 60632
    Tel: 773/582-0300

    http://www.szalasrestaurant.com
    Cathy2

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  • Post #5 - November 8th, 2004, 4:29 pm
    Post #5 - November 8th, 2004, 4:29 pm Post #5 - November 8th, 2004, 4:29 pm
    Thanks, Cathy, that looks useful.
  • Post #6 - November 8th, 2004, 5:43 pm
    Post #6 - November 8th, 2004, 5:43 pm Post #6 - November 8th, 2004, 5:43 pm
    I am not a fan, in fact, I find the food downright foul. I must confess, I was so turned off the last time I went (probably 5-6 years ago) that I haven't been back. By way of qualifications, I lived in Poland for two years and ate my share of dormitory cafeteria food, as well as restaurant fare.

    From what I recall of the Red Apple, the food was greasy and poorly prepared, and, of course, nothing benefits from sitting under heat lamps all day. The pierogi dough was too thick and the pierogi themselves absolutely coated in oil. My husband, who adores virtually any pork product, found the golonka (ham hock) inedible -- it actually had a skanky taste to it. I wish I could remember more about our visit and the food we ate. I am not generally opposed to the buffet format, but there are far better ones (like the Tatra Inn) than the inexplicably popular Red Apple.
  • Post #7 - November 8th, 2004, 5:48 pm
    Post #7 - November 8th, 2004, 5:48 pm Post #7 - November 8th, 2004, 5:48 pm
    I am a big fan of the Red Apple and have been for many years. Now, it's not my Polish grandmother's cooking, but if you happen to get there on a good night, it's a good meal at a very reasonable price. I usually head to the one near Belmont and Milwaukee because it's close to home. Overall, though, I find the one near Devon and Milwaukee a better buffet.

    The following are based on my recent visits to the Belmont and Milwaukee Red Apple. The pierogi of late is excellent. The dough is not too thick, and has a slight chew. My favs are potato and cheese and meat, but they may have any kind at any time.

    I also feel the apple pancakes, the pork stew, and the mushroom gravy are consistently good.

    I pretty much fill up on a small salad, pierogi, baked chicken, mushroom gravy and rice, pork stew, and for dessert, apple pancakes and blintz.

    For me it is heaven.
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  • Post #8 - November 8th, 2004, 5:53 pm
    Post #8 - November 8th, 2004, 5:53 pm Post #8 - November 8th, 2004, 5:53 pm
    You asked for recommendations on good Polish food. Try Andrzej Grill at the corner of Cortez and Western. The (football-sized) potato pancakes with goulash are wonderfully prepared, every time. I also adore the nalesniki (blintzes), particularly the ones filled with sweetened farmer's cheese. In addition to being aesthetically perfect (four identically sized rolled crepes nestled side-by-side on the plate), they are feathery light and dusted with just the right amount of powdered sugar. Kopytka (dumplings) in mushroom sauce is packed with fresh dill and makes for a great carbohydratey, creamy dinner.

    You also can't go wrong with any of the soups, I love their chicken soup, with small bits of chicken, parsley and thin noodles swimming in a clear, defatted (well, almost) broth. It's what Lipton instant is trying to imitate, to give you an idea. Cabbage soup, pickle soup, borscht, oh heck, it's all good. Also, as a bonus, you can play the Cherry Master video game while you wait.

    Smacznego!
  • Post #9 - November 9th, 2004, 11:20 am
    Post #9 - November 9th, 2004, 11:20 am Post #9 - November 9th, 2004, 11:20 am
    Thanks, everybody. Aha, a Cherry Master video game! I'll have to go there.
  • Post #10 - January 31st, 2005, 11:51 am
    Post #10 - January 31st, 2005, 11:51 am Post #10 - January 31st, 2005, 11:51 am
    Cathy2 wrote:Hi,

    There was a long ago thread on interesting thread on Polish restaurants in Chicago. Note Anna Sobor is quite knowledgeable on Polish food, she recommended Szalas.

    Earlier this year, I posted on Szalas, which I went to reluctantly and enjoyed immensely:

    Cathy2, April 13, 2004 wrote:Hi!

    All I planned to do Saturday evening was to go to Easter vigil. It is especially moving to see an adult embrace their new religion, to be baptized and confirmed in one evening, which took me 14 years to accomplish. Alas, I am a person who is very open to suggestions and willingly change plans on a dime.

    Instead of attending my local church, I joined my friends Helen, RST and ErikM to observe the beautiful ceremony of the blessing of baskets at the magnificent St Volodymyr & Olha in Ukrainian Village. RST wrote a bit about this lovely and moving tradition last year in his post:

    http://www.chowhound.com/midwest/boards ... 23628.html

    Afterwards, the classic discussion of where we wanted to eat was mercifully brief. RST firmly wanted to go to Szalas Restaurant recommended by Anna Sobor late last year. The rest of us were not quite as enthusiastic but exhausted from having our ideas shot down, we reluctantly decided to at least check it out.

    Szalas Restaurant has an interesting hunting lodge presence on Archer Avenue within sight of Bobak's. As you approach the front door, you are directed to pull a rope, which rings a bell inside to alert someone to open the door. As you enter, you see many interesting visual details: hunting trophies, antique farm implements, a water wheel, an antique car suspended over the main dining area and lots of light wood paneling with details cut in decorative shapes.

    After we sat at our table, ErikM spied a little room on the balcony for private parties. Against the wall, behind our table were several antique sleighs with velvet cushions arranged as dining tables. These sleighs were aesthetically appealing but not very practical as dining tables. Unless you like to lean forward while sitting on the edge of your cushion to eat.

    We began our order with a few appetizers:

    - Moskol, which was described as Polish Pitas. I googled a recipe which indicates it is mashed potatoes with the addition of flour, egg, sour cream and butter which is beaten until smooth, then form into rounds which are cooked on a hot dry griddle for 3 minutes on each side. These were served cut into wedges, then you spread fresh sheep milk cheese (ser z owcy) or lard (smalec.) The seasoned lard was from pork with chunks of meat. We agreed it was very unusual and very delicious!

    - Herring with mustard sauce was three herring filets spread with mustard and rolled. Sitting in a vinaigrette with slivered onions, which ErikM and I kept dipping the (Weber) rye bread into.

    Each entree had an option of two soups, however they also offered soup by the bowl as well as by the cauldron. The soups by the cauldron were suggested for two, however it was a reasonable portion for four people. We chose the Hunter Stew (Bigos Mysliwski), which is hot sauerkraut with grilled sausage, bacon, pork and onion in light tomato sauce. What they failed to mention was the addition of pineapple! Helen was the first to identify it, which I admit I did not believe initially until she fished a piece out for me to inspect. Despite the exotic ingredient, this was a very sturdy, earthy soup, which we enjoyed to the last drop.

    For our entrees, I had Pierogi, which you could choose from (farmer's) cheese, cheese and potato, sauerkraut and mushroom, potato and meat. I choose 6 of cheese and potato and 6 of sauerkraut and mushroom, which were all clearly hand made. I felt there was an English comprehension issue with our waitress, which was confirmed when my potato and cheese Pierogi morphed into cheese only. Not a big issue, not one I bothered to address. At ErikM's suggestion, I had mushroom gravy on my Pierogi.

    My friend Helen had Lamb Shank (Gicz Barania) with potato dumplings in a vegetable sauce. The quantity of lamb was very generous, which Helen cheerfully shared.

    RST ordered what I plan to have next time: Highlander's Special (Placek po Zbojnicku) which was a very large potato pancake (maybe 8 inch diameters) filled with beef goulash, folded over and sprinkled with cheese. From the samples he shared with us, it was a fabulous combination of taste and texture.

    ErikM ordered 'Shepard' Cutlet Stuffed with Sheep Cheese (Kotlet Bacowski Faszerowany Owczym Serem), which was breaded pork cutlet stuffed with sheep cheese. I'm sure Erik will comment himself on this dish. In fact, he had the distinction of being the only one to finish his dinner this evening.

    For side dishes, we had red beets with horseradish (which would have been tastier with MORE horseradish), Cucumber (Sour cream) Salad, Carrot salad with grated apples and red cabbage salad.

    Dessert was somewhat disappointing as the poppy seed cake was out. The cake offered was ok and would have been better had I not known I missed the poppy cake!

    Those of us who reluctantly followed RST's lead, via Anna Sobol, were very glad he dug in his heals. I was on the phone the next morning advising my Polish friends of this restaurant we just have to go to.

    &&&

    For those out and about during the day, the lunch menu served Monday-Friday from 11 AM to 3 PM offers potatoes pancakes, pork chop sandwich served with horseradish sauce on rye bread, scrambled egg and sausage sandwich, European apple pancakes and Stuffed Cabbage Rolls fried in butter.

    This place is very close to Midway Airport. Perhaps a stop for lunch before heading out?

    Christ has risen!
    Cathy2

    Szalas Restaurant
    5214 South Archer Avenue
    Chicago, IL 60632
    Tel: 773/582-0300

    http://www.szalasrestaurant.com


    On Wednesday of last week, I had the pleasure of introducing someone to Szalas Restaurant. After ordering a couple of Okocim draughts, and at my behest, we started our meal off with the moskol. I loved this appetizer the first time around (as reported by C2, above), and on this night my fondness for it was thoroughly renewed. At the suggestion of our waitperson, we followed with the "Polish style pizza bread," which was perhaps the only misstep of the evening. The "pizza bread" called to mind a Stouffer's product, and the "tomato sauce" topping actually turned out to be catsup. For my main, I took the wild rabbit with mushroom cream sauce, and my partner took the "Gypsy style" grilled pork. We were both quite happy with our selections. Our dinners included a very nice chicken soup, and a salad assortment of shredded carrots, chopped beets, and creamed cucumbers.

    [missing image]
    Interior view from one of the sleigh-cum-table tops

    While it is a bit of a trek, I would recommend Szalas to anyone. I certainly cannot imagine a better time to visit than during these cold winter months.

    Regards,
    Erik M.

    Oh, the private dining balcony that C2 mentioned in her report is visible in my photograph -- it is in the upper righthand corner.
  • Post #11 - January 31st, 2005, 2:03 pm
    Post #11 - January 31st, 2005, 2:03 pm Post #11 - January 31st, 2005, 2:03 pm
    Last Sunday, my wife and I were heading back from the Chicago Travel Show at McCormick Place. He had hoped to stop for dinner at Greektown but due to the snow, could not find parking. We decided to make a detour to Caputo Market on Harlem.

    We ended up stopping at the Old Warsaw Restaurant, another Polish buffet on Harlem. There was nothing very earthshattering on the buffet. However, in general, the food was well prepared and had a number of interesting cold selections.
  • Post #12 - January 31st, 2005, 3:27 pm
    Post #12 - January 31st, 2005, 3:27 pm Post #12 - January 31st, 2005, 3:27 pm
    Overall, I find the quality of Red Apple a bit more consistent than Old Warsaw. Neither has earth-shatteringly great food. But, both are tasty and a pretty good bargain though, if there is a better bargain, I expect a frugal chower like JLawrence to have found it before.
  • Post #13 - January 31st, 2005, 4:27 pm
    Post #13 - January 31st, 2005, 4:27 pm Post #13 - January 31st, 2005, 4:27 pm
    OPW-

    Old Warsaw was not **that** cheap. It was about $28 for two with tip. I think that the food was a step above the Polish buffet on Rt 31 in McHenry.

    I would note that nearly every person in the restaurant (3 pm on a Sunday afternoon) was Polish or Eastern European and seemed to be pretty happy with the food.
  • Post #14 - January 31st, 2005, 4:39 pm
    Post #14 - January 31st, 2005, 4:39 pm Post #14 - January 31st, 2005, 4:39 pm
    Has anyone eaten at Bobak's? I hear their polish buffet is pretty good!
  • Post #15 - January 31st, 2005, 4:44 pm
    Post #15 - January 31st, 2005, 4:44 pm Post #15 - January 31st, 2005, 4:44 pm
    Hi,

    I have certainly eaten at Bobak's by Midway Airport, though with Szalas just down the street, I would go there. I'm not knocking Bobak's Buffet, it is up there with Red Apple and Old Warsaw, I just like the theater and the food more at Szalas which is just up the street.

    If the Bobak buffet was miles away from Szalas, then I would go to Bobak's happily. So my preference for one over the other is strictly proximity.

    Regards,
    Last edited by Cathy2 on January 31st, 2005, 8:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
    Cathy2

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  • Post #16 - January 31st, 2005, 5:50 pm
    Post #16 - January 31st, 2005, 5:50 pm Post #16 - January 31st, 2005, 5:50 pm
    I've only been to Old warsaw at lunchtime during the week, JL. So, maybe the tab nis higher on the weekends. The buffet runs about $8 during the week. I like to food there, too. It seems to me that the Red Apple is a bit more consistent with its quality.
  • Post #17 - January 31st, 2005, 6:40 pm
    Post #17 - January 31st, 2005, 6:40 pm Post #17 - January 31st, 2005, 6:40 pm
    By the way, I noticed that there's a new Polish restaurant called Northpoint, on North, Damen to Western I think. A new Polish restaurant? When was the last one of those?
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