Katie wrote:I I start with the Cook's Illustrated recipe, which calls for 3 cups of all-purpose flour and 1 cup of cake flour. I have those. It also calls for 1 and 1/2 tsp baking soda (I have that) and 1 1/2 tsp cream of tartar. Yikes, I don't have that. Looking at some other recipes for soda bread, I see baking powder called for, and replace that 1 1/2 tsp cream of tartar with 1 1/2 tsp baking powder.
I think it's safe to say, my next attempt should not involve cake flour. In hindsight, I do not imagine the average Irishwoman of the last few centuries keeping cake flour on hand.
teatpuller wrote:i discovered that King Arthur sells Irish style whole wheat which is stone ground soft red wheat. costs an arm and a leg, but that's what you need if you want to get as close as possible to what people actually eat in Ireland today.
Katie wrote:So we come to my efforts to learn how to make Irish soda bread. I've found several recipes, with several slight differences. I foresee a trial-and-error learning process.
What an evocative post.BuddyRoadhouse wrote:I've said it before, and I'll say it again, as much as I love Irish soda bread, I love even more the brown bread we were served in virtually every B&B, restaurant, and pub we visited on the Emerald Isle. The deep, rich, earthy flavors, infused with a hint of the peet smoke that swirled around the loaf as it baked, were more complex and even more comforting than any soda bread I have ever eaten. Sorry, don't have a recipe to post; wish I did.
Whenever you see baking soda by itself, then there is an acid in the recipe to activate it: buttermilk, cocoa, vinegar and such. If you substituted sweet milk for the buttermilk and there was no other acid present or not enough acid present, then your baked product will have a raw baking soda chemical taste.
I have both in the cabinet (because my baking ambitions far exceed my skills). Do you recommend one over the other?Baking powders are not designed the same: there are differences in reaction between Clabber Girl and Calumet.
leek wrote:There's a difference, too, between yeast-raised bread and baking powder-raised bread. The texture is very different. As you noted, it's much more cake-like when you do a baking powder bread. These are also often called quick breads. If you are trying to make bread more like what you'd make a sandwich out of, you probably want a yeast bread. Soda bread is very tasty, but being able to make a good one isn't going to get you to baguette-land
Thanks for the tip. I have some whole wheat flour to try in one of my iterations, not the King Arthur variety but I think I should use what I have before I buy more. I'll report back.teatpuller wrote:i discovered that King Arthur sells Irish style whole wheat which is stone ground soft red wheat. costs an arm and a leg, but that's what you need if you want to get as close as possible to what people actually eat in Ireland today.
The mix of cake flour and all purpose flour is probably to either approximate the protein/gluten content of the traditional flour used for this in Ireland or (more likely the case) Cooks Illustrated thought this gave a texture that people liked. I wouldn't necessarily assume you did something wrong. Soda bread is crumbly and the recipe may have been designed to deliver that, or maybe over deliver based on your tastes.
Also good tips, thanks.kanin wrote:flour from Hodgson Mills are good alternatives (not to mention cheaper). They both have the coarse texture of King Arthur Irish-style flour. They're also much easier to find in local groceries.
grits wrote:I like to do the trial-and-error thing too, and tinker with recipes. I worked on Soda Bread a few years ago and was not having much luck. I think the recipe that I finally ended up with was this one, from an Irish friend at work. (Well, born here, but Irish.) I haven't made this for a long time so I can't totally vouch for it. However, I think I know what I'm going to be making this weekend now. Note there is no sugar or added fat at all in it. I have a nice scone recipe that is similar to this if anyone is interested.
Irish Soda Bread from Mr. Murphy
4 cups flour
1/2 tsp salt
1 tsp baking soda
2 cups buttermilk
Raisins or currants to taste per orig recipe--I'd probably go with a cup--I like the Zante currants
BuddyRoadhouse wrote:I've said it before, and I'll say it again, as much as I love Irish soda bread, I love even more the brown bread we were served in virtually every B&B, restaurant, and pub we visited on the Emerald Isle. The deep, rich, earthy flavors, infused with a hint of the peat smoke that swirled around the loaf as it baked, were more complex and even more comforting than any soda bread I have ever eaten. Sorry, don't have a recipe to post; wish I did.
BuddyRoadhouse wrote:Katie, my Irish wife is well versed in tracing her genealogical roots and has been doing so for years. If you need any help in getting started, or if you're looking for more sources of information, feel free to PM me and I will put you in contact with my dear colleen. Buddy
I saw that recipe in the latest issue, and it helped spur me on to start my Irish soda bread trials and the chronicles thereof. Thanks.jygach wrote:The February issue of Martha Stewart Living has a whole-wheat Irish soda bread recipe. You should be able to access the recipe on her website. If not, pm me and I will be happy to share it with you.
Jyoti
Thanks for this too; I'll give it a try.jygach wrote:Just saw this on Rose Levy Berenbaum's blog, and thought you might be interested. The link takes you to Epicurious and offers a step-by-step guide to bread baking. Berenbaum's recipes are meticulously detailed and, in my opinion, very reliable.
http://www.epicurious.com/articlesguide ... mers/bread
Jyoti
Katie wrote:I think for testing purposes, I need to cut these recipes in half. Does anyone foresee a problem with that?
I understand that's true, and I haven't yet made any batches with raisins, but when I do I'll be careful not to let Fuzzball have any.grits wrote:NOTE: I noticed you mentioned feeding the results to your dog. I think raisins and currants are dangerous for dogs so be careful. My dog loves all baked goods so I have to pick the currants out for her portion.
Looking forward to any tips you can give me, atomicman!atomicman wrote:My parents are both from Ireland, so I grew up with soda bread as a regular part of our meals. I prefer the brown bead, our family recipe uses regular all purpose flour and wheat bran for the brown bread. approx 1/4 cup of bran to 1 cup of flour. I dont have a measured recipe to post as it is usually done by the "palmful of this and a and pinch of that method" I need to measure the exact amounts one day as it is being made and I will post the results when I do.
Hi Katie,Katie wrote:Failure #1, you may recall, was the Cooks Illustrated recipe, which called for cake flour, and tasted like, well, cake.
Now for failure #2.
Today I tried a recipe from the "Taste of Home" website (which I'd never have known about if not for Cathy2's post on GWiv's experience with crock pot cookery).
The recipe I picked had multiple high ratings and called for all-purpose flour, brown sugar, baking powder, baking soda, salt, butter, eggs, buttermilk, and raisins. Looking back in this thread, that's about twice as many ingredients as other recommendations, which I'll follow in my next trial.
I am not big on mixing and kneading by hand (yes, I realize this may be an impediment to my progress in self-taught baking), so I did most of the work in the Kitchen-Aid mixer. Everything was going fine until ...
..."Knead on a floured surface for 1 minute." This was impossible. I managed to scrape most of the Blob out onto a floured stone, but it was so incredibly sticky, no kneading was possible. It was like a cake batter, only lumpier and even stickier. It was all I could to do scrape most of it off the stone, off my hands, and into an oiled pan. Cutting a cross into the top with a knife was out of the question.
I used a medium-sized cast-iron pan (a tip I picked up from the "Irish Fireside" podcast). Perhaps I should have used a small pan, because during cooking the dough spread out to fill the whole radius of the pan, such that the "loaf" wound up looking like a much-eroded island, at most 3 inches tall in the center. I hate to think what would have happened if I'd put it on an unrimmed baking sheet.