arkay wrote:sorry if i came off as offensive, but as a tobacco hardened old mug, slowly being relegated to the criminal class

Like these guys?


I never would have guessed that you were a smoker?

MBK wrote:the smoking ban has been horrible for business, regardless of what the antismoking lobby states. casino revenue is down 20% and late night establishments, mostly coffee serving diners, have seen a drop a rather large drop in business.

So how do they tell that the drop in business is due to the smoking ban, as opposed to the economy?

There are plenty of people, myself included, that just stayed away from many places due to the smoke. Now we're free to go wherever we want and not worry about it.

well for the diners its fairly easy to tell: late night business has tanked. jack's used to be lit up with people, mostly smokers, talking, eating and having coffee into the wee hours of the morning. now it closes at 2pm? even at omega, a restaurant that has retained at least half its business, the smoking section often times had a wait time while the nonsmoking section looked like a ghost town. bars aren't doing as bad, cigarette smoking occurs outside (the street becomes the ashtray--increased litter) and inside cigarettes are replaced with more drinks (an oral fixation is not easily given up) and unfortunately more drunks and even more unfortunately more drunk driving. as for the casinos, that's an easy one: compare performance to bordering states that still allow smoking and it will show that IL casinos vastly underperform.

MBK wrote: cigarette smoking occurs outside (the street becomes the ashtray--increased litter) and inside cigarettes are replaced with more drinks (an oral fixation is not easily given up) and unfortunately more drunks and even more unfortunately more drunk driving.

Out of control drunk Litterbugs who are not to blame for their choices in life.

You sure make smokers sound like a great group of people!

mhill.... why not let this subject just go?

smokers are ordinary people.

your obvious disdain for them is becoming contemptuous behavior in itself.

come on..... look at the arguments used here....
more litter
more drinking
more drunk driving

arkay wrote:
smokers are ordinary people.

who generate their own "stimulus plan" for the heath care industry

This whole conversation reminds me of the Steve Martin routine where someone asks him,

"Mind if I smoke?"

To which he replies,

"No! Mind if I fart?"

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can we get a moderator here or at least a winky tag thrown in here somewhere?

after this reply.... 'nuff said for me.

mhill, you solicited opinions on your distastefull experience with a food server.did you expect to not get any that ran counter to you?

why are you now carrying this arguement into flaming rhetoric and open scorn for smokers?

mhill95149 wrote:

MBK wrote: cigarette smoking occurs outside (the street becomes the ashtray--increased litter) and inside cigarettes are replaced with more drinks (an oral fixation is not easily given up) and unfortunately more drunks and even more unfortunately more drunk driving.

Out of control drunk Litterbugs who are not to blame for their choices in life.

You sure make smokers sound like a great group of people!

the point is the ban has completely disallowed the right to assemble for smokers in private establishments. even if all owners, management, employees and patrons are in agreement, the sweeping ban prohibits the exercise of their right to pursue happiness, be it self distructive (mind you, tobacco is still a legal substance). if full disclosure of smoking establishments is provided, why would any nonsmoker have an issue? live and let live (or die). this is especially true in our casinos, where there is a high correlation between smoking and gambling. casino revenue is visibly down, and in turn, so is state revenue . that is the same tax revenue that is much needed to fund a variety of beneficial social programs such as public education.

I was equally appalled when I overheard a member of the waitstaff discussing with another that she was going to have a cigarette later that night after her shift.

The NERVE!

RR_Rancher wrote:I was equally appalled when I overheard a member of the waitstaff discussing with another that she was going to have a cigarette later that night after her shift.

The NERVE!

But not in a bar or casino.

I think it's a fairly easy proposition. Don't come to my table smelling of smoke and I'll not come to your restaurant smelling like anything remotely offensive: BO, cologne, patchouli, mootie, etc.

Mind if I smoke, while you're eating?

j r wrote:

Mind if I smoke, while you're eating?

Look out, he's going Deep!

Whooooooa Nelly..............

Anything to do with smoking/no smoking seems to get Feisty fast.

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Enjoy,
Gary for the moderators

locked?
did you forget to throw the bolt?

mhill95149 wrote:locked?
did you forget to throw the bolt?

Guess so........


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