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    Post #1 - December 1st, 2009, 8:06 am
    Post #1 - December 1st, 2009, 8:06 am Post #1 - December 1st, 2009, 8:06 am
    I was voted responsibility for making the gravy at Thanksgiving. The recipe called for adding whiskey to the stock before adding it to the roue. I decided to add the whiskey to the roue first to burn off the alcohol. As soon as I added the whiskey, the roue immediately went from a smooth paste to tiny lumps.

    The final gravy was great and the tiny lumps were not really noticeable - but I knew they were there. I suppose the technical reason is some reaction between the butter (fat) and the alcohol, but does someone have insight into the actual problem? Thanks in advance.
    Last edited by Rick T. on December 1st, 2009, 10:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
    Coming to you from Leiper's Fork, TN where we prefer forking to spooning.
  • Post #2 - December 1st, 2009, 8:18 am
    Post #2 - December 1st, 2009, 8:18 am Post #2 - December 1st, 2009, 8:18 am
    I could be wrong, but I can't imagine that it was the alcohol - I've seen a number of recipes that add brandy to a roux as the first liquid. Was there some kind of dairy in the pan? I could see where whiskey might make the proteins curdle.
  • Post #3 - December 1st, 2009, 10:11 am
    Post #3 - December 1st, 2009, 10:11 am Post #3 - December 1st, 2009, 10:11 am
    Usually you get lumps when you add the liquid too quickly to the roux.

    How long did you cook the roux before you added the whiskey? You can minimize lumps by cooking it longer (though this reduces its thickening power).

    (BTW, roue and roux are not the same thing.)
  • Post #4 - December 1st, 2009, 1:32 pm
    Post #4 - December 1st, 2009, 1:32 pm Post #4 - December 1st, 2009, 1:32 pm
    Darren72 wrote:Usually you get lumps when you add the liquid too quickly to the roux.

    How long did you cook the roux before you added the whiskey? You can minimize lumps by cooking it longer (though this reduces its thickening power).

    (BTW, roue and roux are not the same thing.)

    Though roués like whiskey :P
  • Post #5 - December 1st, 2009, 8:19 pm
    Post #5 - December 1st, 2009, 8:19 pm Post #5 - December 1st, 2009, 8:19 pm
    It also helps if the liquid being added to the roux is hot.
  • Post #6 - December 1st, 2009, 10:38 pm
    Post #6 - December 1st, 2009, 10:38 pm Post #6 - December 1st, 2009, 10:38 pm
    Darren72 wrote:Usually you get lumps when you add the liquid too quickly to the roux.

    How long did you cook the roux before you added the whiskey? You can minimize lumps by cooking it longer (though this reduces its thickening power).

    (BTW, roue and roux are not the same thing.)


    It was a blonde to light brown roux and only about 3 tbs whiskey added to 1/2 cup each of flour and butter.
    Coming to you from Leiper's Fork, TN where we prefer forking to spooning.
  • Post #7 - December 1st, 2009, 10:39 pm
    Post #7 - December 1st, 2009, 10:39 pm Post #7 - December 1st, 2009, 10:39 pm
    Mhays wrote:I could be wrong, but I can't imagine that it was the alcohol - I've seen a number of recipes that add brandy to a roux as the first liquid. Was there some kind of dairy in the pan? I could see where whiskey might make the proteins curdle.


    Just butter.
    Coming to you from Leiper's Fork, TN where we prefer forking to spooning.
  • Post #8 - December 2nd, 2009, 8:50 am
    Post #8 - December 2nd, 2009, 8:50 am Post #8 - December 2nd, 2009, 8:50 am
    Rick T. wrote:It was a blonde to light brown roux and only about 3 tbs whiskey added to 1/2 cup each of flour and butter.


    Maybe the problem is using a relatively small amount of cold liquid compared to the amount of your roux? I wonder if you just had thicker bits of sauce where the whiskey hit the roux that didn't dissolve the way it should have. Did you whisk vigorously after you added the rest of your liquid?

    This is a situation where I'd have tried a hand blender or regular blender to finish the sauce.

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