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What does "bright" mean when applied to flavor?
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    Post #1 - December 6th, 2009, 5:31 pm
    Post #1 - December 6th, 2009, 5:31 pm Post #1 - December 6th, 2009, 5:31 pm
    I'm seeing "bright" used more and more as a flavor descriptor lately (almost to the point at which it needs to become a forbidden word of 2010, but not quite.) It's often used in conjunction with "clean," a la "bright, clean flavors." I have my own idea of what people mean when they use "bright" to apply to food, but I'm not sure I'm right (and I could never put it into words). Is it just one of those "you know what it means when you taste it" things, or does someone want to take a crack at actually defining it?
  • Post #2 - December 6th, 2009, 8:53 pm
    Post #2 - December 6th, 2009, 8:53 pm Post #2 - December 6th, 2009, 8:53 pm
    I've always associated brightness with acidity and freshness, as in spritzing a lime wedge on a taco "brightens" it.
  • Post #3 - December 6th, 2009, 9:02 pm
    Post #3 - December 6th, 2009, 9:02 pm Post #3 - December 6th, 2009, 9:02 pm
    The sharpening and balancing of a dish by the addition of an acidic ingredient, usually at the end of the cooking process. Lemon/lime juice or zest, specifically; orange is too sweet, grapefruit too bitter, vinegar (except rice vinegar) too strong. They explain this concept repeatedly on America's Test Kitchen. Works for me.
  • Post #4 - December 6th, 2009, 9:11 pm
    Post #4 - December 6th, 2009, 9:11 pm Post #4 - December 6th, 2009, 9:11 pm
    I feel "brightness" is especially relevant when you compare the difference between fresh lime/lemon juice and the bottled stuff
  • Post #5 - December 6th, 2009, 10:41 pm
    Post #5 - December 6th, 2009, 10:41 pm Post #5 - December 6th, 2009, 10:41 pm
    I agree, generally, with the answers given above, and while acidity can certainly be a part of a dish that might be described as "bright, clean...", I also think that it can come from other flavors.

    Flavors that are distinctive and strong, like olives, capers, citrus zest, and fresh herbs (especially mint, used in savory dishes) often contribute to this kind of dish. Lots of dishes typical of Sicilian cooking are often described this way.
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  • Post #6 - December 7th, 2009, 8:37 pm
    Post #6 - December 7th, 2009, 8:37 pm Post #6 - December 7th, 2009, 8:37 pm
    Thanks for the various answers, folks. I'm left a little perplexed, though. If "bright" sometimes means "acidic," but not always--if it sometimes means something else, such as "distinctive and strong"--then I wonder if the word has a clear meaning in a food context. (Or a meaning that most people can agree on, which is kind of essential for it being a useful descriptor.)

    I can sort of see how "bright" when describing food could be a synonym for "intense," in the same way a bright light is an intense light, but I'm not sure that's exactly what's meant, either. Josh, in his description of the sushi at New York's Sushi Yasuda in a post about a week ago, wrote of "fish so fresh and bright tasting it almost brings a tear to your eye." This could mean the fish had intense flavor, or distinctive and strong flavor--he almost certainly didn't mean it had acidic flavor--but I wonder if that's all there is to it. Is it one of those food words that everyone thinks he knows the meaning of when he reads it, but of which in fact there are almost as many different interpretations as there are people with taste buds?
  • Post #7 - December 7th, 2009, 8:48 pm
    Post #7 - December 7th, 2009, 8:48 pm Post #7 - December 7th, 2009, 8:48 pm
    I wonder if the word has a clear meaning in a food context.


    I'm not sure it does, at least in a universally-understood sense. I think it's more one of those "I know it when I see (taste) it" kind of things.

    I'll try and use an analogy; it's possible for the same piece of music to be played with the same instruments, and for one version to sound clear, bright, and clean (meaning that each instrument is recognizable and discernible individually AND that all the instruments harmonize and come together well, resulting in an overall experience that's greater than the individually great elements.....while the same piece can be played by the same instruments and the end result can be muddy, unbalanced, and just downright bad.

    The same is true of food. A ceviche of snapper, chiles, tomatoes, onion, herbs, and citrus juice can be transcendant, if the individual elements are all high-quality and they're combined skillfully so that they're in balance. But the same dish of the same elements might be a flavorless mush, or muddy, or overly acidic when the ingredients aren't up to par or they're not prepared well.

    It's hard to talk about food and flavors using language that is clear and universally agreed-upon, which is why people often co-opt descriptors from other arenas. The language of wine description springs to mind. This whole "bright" thing may fall somewhat into that realm.
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  • Post #8 - December 7th, 2009, 10:42 pm
    Post #8 - December 7th, 2009, 10:42 pm Post #8 - December 7th, 2009, 10:42 pm
    elakin wrote:
    I wonder if the word has a clear meaning in a food context.


    I'm not sure it does, at least in a universally-understood sense. I think it's more one of those "I know it when I see (taste) it" kind of things.

    I'll try and use an analogy; it's possible for the same piece of music to be played with the same instruments, and for one version to sound clear, bright, and clean (meaning that each instrument is recognizable and discernible individually AND that all the instruments harmonize and come together well, resulting in an overall experience that's greater than the individually great elements.....while the same piece can be played by the same instruments and the end result can be muddy, unbalanced, and just downright bad.

    The same is true of food. A ceviche of snapper, chiles, tomatoes, onion, herbs, and citrus juice can be transcendant, if the individual elements are all high-quality and they're combined skillfully so that they're in balance. But the same dish of the same elements might be a flavorless mush, or muddy, or overly acidic when the ingredients aren't up to par or they're not prepared well.

    It's hard to talk about food and flavors using language that is clear and universally agreed-upon, which is why people often co-opt descriptors from other arenas. The language of wine description springs to mind. This whole "bright" thing may fall somewhat into that realm.

    That's a reasonable answer, and about as good a one as I'm likely to get. Thanks, Eddie.
  • Post #9 - December 8th, 2009, 7:48 am
    Post #9 - December 8th, 2009, 7:48 am Post #9 - December 8th, 2009, 7:48 am
    elakin wrote:I'll try and use an analogy; it's possible for the same piece of music to be played with the same instruments, and for one version to sound clear, bright, and clean (meaning that each instrument is recognizable and discernible individually AND that all the instruments harmonize and come together well, resulting in an overall experience that's greater than the individually great elements.....while the same piece can be played by the same instruments and the end result can be muddy, unbalanced, and just downright bad.


    Thinking of music is the main way I figure out what's going on in what I'm tasting, too. And I think there's another musical sense of 'bright' in what you're saying, which involves equalization -- a piece of music sounds 'bright' when it has prominent high frequencies, whereas it can sound 'dark' in the absence of high frequencies.

    So I sometimes think of the taste of acid -- but also of 'clean' herbs like cilantro and fresh rosemary -- as adding 'brightness' to the taste of food in this sense.

    But what I can't figure out is how the analogy works -- why are those tastes like high frequencies of sound, compared to, say, mushrooms or meat, which are pretty 'low frequency' as I would think of them?

    I wonder, too, if part of the 'highness/brightness' comes with the part of my tongue that is mainly responsible for delivering that taste sensation?
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  • Post #10 - December 8th, 2009, 8:07 am
    Post #10 - December 8th, 2009, 8:07 am Post #10 - December 8th, 2009, 8:07 am
    Bright is the opposite of dull...

    Fresh-dug carrot eaten raw = bright flavor
    Same carrot boiled for 2 hours then mashed = dull flavor

    Snappy haricot vert picked a few hours ago = bright flavor
    Ohio House canned green beans = dull flavor

    Good extra virgin olive oil = bright flavor
    Cheap olive oil = dull flavor (usually)

    Fresh chopped parsley = bright flavor
    McCormick dried parsley flakes = dull flavor

    etc.
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  • Post #11 - December 8th, 2009, 8:58 am
    Post #11 - December 8th, 2009, 8:58 am Post #11 - December 8th, 2009, 8:58 am
    Kennyz wrote:Bright is the opposite of dull...

    Fresh-dug carrot eaten raw = bright flavor
    Same carrot boiled for 2 hours then mashed = dull flavor

    Snappy haricot vert picked a few hours ago = bright flavor
    Ohio House canned green beans = dull flavor

    Good extra virgin olive oil = bright flavor
    Cheap olive oil = dull flavor (usually)

    Fresh chopped parsley = bright flavor
    McCormick dried parsley flakes = dull flavor

    etc.


    Agreed.

    Riddlemay - this is probably the best way to describe what I meant when I said the fish at Yasuda tasted "bright". IMO, really great sushi has a certain "pop" to it (another hard taste to describe). When sushi tastes fresh, when you can really taste the fish and appreciate the texture, and hasn't been ruined by poor handling or being held at an impropper temperature...that's when you get that really "bright" taste.
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  • Post #12 - December 8th, 2009, 10:18 am
    Post #12 - December 8th, 2009, 10:18 am Post #12 - December 8th, 2009, 10:18 am
    This post reminds me of the description of smells in Jitterbug Perfume. I've always thought of "bright" as similar to "top notes," although I agree also with the definitions above. Like all descriptive language, its meaning is a bit fluid, applying to a certian range of experiences.
  • Post #13 - December 9th, 2009, 5:34 am
    Post #13 - December 9th, 2009, 5:34 am Post #13 - December 9th, 2009, 5:34 am
    Thanks for all the additional clarifications of "bright," which are very helpful.

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