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  • Post #61 - May 6th, 2010, 4:19 pm
    Post #61 - May 6th, 2010, 4:19 pm Post #61 - May 6th, 2010, 4:19 pm
    Nicely put ronniesuburban, regarding alinea's occasional classical french infusion.
  • Post #62 - May 10th, 2010, 11:45 am
    Post #62 - May 10th, 2010, 11:45 am Post #62 - May 10th, 2010, 11:45 am
    This just in regarding Next and Aviary: It looks like Next will be housed at the old Follia location, with Aviary housed next door at the (still operational) Fulton Lounge location in the Fulton Market area.

    This was announced at the following link:

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/feast/We-Know ... 99444.html
  • Post #63 - January 5th, 2011, 2:00 am
    Post #63 - January 5th, 2011, 2:00 am Post #63 - January 5th, 2011, 2:00 am
    On December 20, 2010 in an article about Grant Achatz and Alinea ("The Miracle Worker"), Time Magazine claimed that Next is scheduled to open on February 1st. Any news?
    Toast, as every breakfaster knows, isn't really about the quality of the bread or how it's sliced or even the toaster. For man cannot live by toast alone. It's all about the butter. -- Adam Gopnik
  • Post #64 - January 5th, 2011, 8:02 am
    Post #64 - January 5th, 2011, 8:02 am Post #64 - January 5th, 2011, 8:02 am
    GAF wrote:On December 20, 2010 in an article about Grant Achatz and Alinea ("The Miracle Worker"), Time Magazine claimed that Next is scheduled to open on February 1st. Any news?


    I have a friend who is working on the space--he said they are targeting to open 2/15 but thinks that is a pretty big stretch.
    "Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad." Miles Kington
  • Post #65 - February 5th, 2011, 7:36 pm
    Post #65 - February 5th, 2011, 7:36 pm Post #65 - February 5th, 2011, 7:36 pm
    Marketing junk email I received from Grant Achatz capitalist enterprises after eating at Alinea a few weeks ago wrote: Aviary’s custom 'bar' is one of a kind and includes 3 cocktail shaker dispensers capable of holding 175 shakers. Our chefs will not be washing shakers or glasses in between creating drinks.


    I seriously doubt that this is meant to convey that Aviary's bartenders will be mixing your smoked anchovy, barrel-aged old fashioned in the same, unwashed shaker they used for your date's durian vinaigrette flip - that would be retarded. Even more retarded: purchasing 3 custom cocktail shaker dispensers capable of holding 175 shakers so that tapwater, or whatever Achatz uses to wash his utensils, does not interfere with the integrity of your "cocktail".
    "By the fig, the olive..." Surat Al-Teen, Mecca 95:1"
  • Post #66 - February 5th, 2011, 7:50 pm
    Post #66 - February 5th, 2011, 7:50 pm Post #66 - February 5th, 2011, 7:50 pm
    Habibi wrote:
    Marketing junk email I received from Grant Achatz capitalist enterprises after eating at Alinea a few weeks ago wrote: Aviary’s custom 'bar' is one of a kind and includes 3 cocktail shaker dispensers capable of holding 175 shakers. Our chefs will not be washing shakers or glasses in between creating drinks.


    I seriously doubt that this is meant to convey that Aviary's bartenders will be mixing your smoked anchovy, barrel-aged old fashioned in the same, unwashed shaker they used for your date's durian vinaigrette flip - that would be retarded. Even more retarded: purchasing 3 custom cocktail shaker dispensers capable of holding 175 shakers so that tapwater, or whatever Achatz uses to wash his utensils, does not interfere with the integrity of your "cocktail".

    Isn't it just designed to be a time-saver? I'm guessing that the shakers will be washed, just not in a way that slows down the drink-making. Frankly, it sounds like a great idea to me.

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  • Post #67 - February 5th, 2011, 8:07 pm
    Post #67 - February 5th, 2011, 8:07 pm Post #67 - February 5th, 2011, 8:07 pm
    Ronnie, this is no place for reasoned, thoughtful interpretations of marketing statements. I much prefer my own cynical, superficial take on the situation!
    "By the fig, the olive..." Surat Al-Teen, Mecca 95:1"
  • Post #68 - February 5th, 2011, 8:10 pm
    Post #68 - February 5th, 2011, 8:10 pm Post #68 - February 5th, 2011, 8:10 pm
    Habibi wrote:
    Marketing junk email I received from Grant Achatz capitalist enterprises after eating at Alinea a few weeks ago wrote: Aviary’s custom 'bar' is one of a kind and includes 3 cocktail shaker dispensers capable of holding 175 shakers. Our chefs will not be washing shakers or glasses in between creating drinks.


    I seriously doubt that this is meant to convey that Aviary's bartenders will be mixing your smoked anchovy, barrel-aged old fashioned in the same, unwashed shaker they used for your date's durian vinaigrette flip - that would be retarded. Even more retarded: purchasing 3 custom cocktail shaker dispensers capable of holding 175 shakers so that tapwater, or whatever Achatz uses to wash his utensils, does not interfere with the integrity of your "cocktail".


    Could be wrong, but I'm guessing based on the quote above, this other one, and the fact that you haven't posted about your meal - that you didn't fall in love with Alinea like everyone else seems to. I've never been there and probably never will because I prefer to make fun of it from afar, so I'd love to finally read something negative about the place besides "they gave the people next to me something that looked even more mindblowingly awesome than the mindblowingly awesome stuff they gave me."
    ...defended from strong temptations to social ambition by a still stronger taste for tripe and onions." Screwtape in The Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis

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  • Post #69 - February 5th, 2011, 8:44 pm
    Post #69 - February 5th, 2011, 8:44 pm Post #69 - February 5th, 2011, 8:44 pm
    As much as I'd like to disappoint you Kenny, your intuition is generally correct. It was a meal with great highs, no lows, but many flats. Part of the problem may have been that I was getting over a cold, and my senses were a bit muted. I've been wrestling with how to post about my meal. When I retrieve my camera from my girlfriend next weekend, I'll give a full report in the Alinea thread.

    Kenny - care to point me in the direction of any post's related to your feelings about Alinea? Just curious.
    "By the fig, the olive..." Surat Al-Teen, Mecca 95:1"
  • Post #70 - February 5th, 2011, 9:00 pm
    Post #70 - February 5th, 2011, 9:00 pm Post #70 - February 5th, 2011, 9:00 pm
    Habibi wrote:Kenny - care to point me in the direction of any post's related to your feelings about Alinea? Just curious.


    Not gonna dig for links, but offhand I remember making fun of Achatz/ Alinea here for at least 3 things: love of Potbelly, obsession over Michelin, and making a gigantic deal out of the meaningless change to one set menu.
    ...defended from strong temptations to social ambition by a still stronger taste for tripe and onions." Screwtape in The Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis

    Fuckerberg on Food
  • Post #71 - February 8th, 2011, 10:48 am
    Post #71 - February 8th, 2011, 10:48 am Post #71 - February 8th, 2011, 10:48 am
    http://chicago.eater.com/archives/2011/ ... target.php
    looks like late March now...
  • Post #72 - March 29th, 2011, 10:28 am
    Post #72 - March 29th, 2011, 10:28 am Post #72 - March 29th, 2011, 10:28 am
    http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2011 ... ?src=twrhp
  • Post #73 - March 29th, 2011, 1:03 pm
    Post #73 - March 29th, 2011, 1:03 pm Post #73 - March 29th, 2011, 1:03 pm
    I know it's premature, and I shouldn't judge until I've at least been to Alinea, but... nothing in that article sounds the least bit appealing to me.
    "I've always thought pastrami was the most sensuous of the salted cured meats."
  • Post #74 - March 29th, 2011, 1:46 pm
    Post #74 - March 29th, 2011, 1:46 pm Post #74 - March 29th, 2011, 1:46 pm
    "From the moment it opens, it will be among the most exclusive bars in the country — open by reservation, perhaps, or maybe just invitation. “The logistics of access,” Schoettler said, “are still in the works.”"

    Sounds a little Carlsonesque.
    "Your custard pie, yeah, sweet and nice
    When you cut it, mama, save me a slice"
  • Post #75 - March 29th, 2011, 1:53 pm
    Post #75 - March 29th, 2011, 1:53 pm Post #75 - March 29th, 2011, 1:53 pm
    DMChicago wrote:"From the moment it opens, it will be among the most exclusive bars in the country — open by reservation, perhaps, or maybe just invitation. “The logistics of access,” Schoettler said, “are still in the works.”"

    Sounds a little Carlsonesque.


    But the team behind Alinea isn't "Carlsonesque" in the least. I trust that they'll do their best to make this work.

    I think it would probably be a good idea to hold fire until these places open. From what I remember, there was quite a bit of mocking of Alinea (especially the name) before it opened and that place has gone on to do alright.
    -Josh

    I've started blogging about the Stuff I Eat
  • Post #76 - March 29th, 2011, 7:11 pm
    Post #76 - March 29th, 2011, 7:11 pm Post #76 - March 29th, 2011, 7:11 pm
    4/6 Everybody into the ticket pool!!
  • Post #77 - March 29th, 2011, 8:33 pm
    Post #77 - March 29th, 2011, 8:33 pm Post #77 - March 29th, 2011, 8:33 pm
    So totally confused as to how all of this will even work, from the small things (if you pay in advance does that mean you can't order anything the night of, like another drink?) to the larger logical picture (if you buy a season pass, does that mean you have to commit to several specific times and dates many months in advance? does, say, a party of four have to buy their tickets at once to be seated together? Etc.). The restaurant says it wants to encourage a secondary ticket market, which must sound, um, dubious to all those regularly burned when it comes to sports and concerts, but humoring Next, does this mean there'll be an inevitable forum dedicated to the buying and selling of surplus or unused dining tickets? Will it become a staple on craigslist? Will they be selling blocks of tickets to various third parties, the way they do with theatre tickets? So many questions, with the opening apparently looming. Don't know if it's confusion or excitement or curiosity driving my interest.
  • Post #78 - March 30th, 2011, 8:04 am
    Post #78 - March 30th, 2011, 8:04 am Post #78 - March 30th, 2011, 8:04 am
    I'll keep my knives sheathed until it opens and we get some first-hand reporting, but let me at least enunciate my concerns:

    1. By selling 'exclusivity' as an end in and of itself, the target market seems to be status-conscious D-Bags looking to burn their money in the most extravagent way available.

    2. A bar depends on its environment as much if not more than its drinks or its food, and I really have no interest in being around the aforementioned status-conscious D-Bags.

    3. To paraphrase Bourdain, I will pay for quality, but I won't pay for BS. Even if the quality is there (and I fully expect it will be), the potential for BS is astronomical. I'll reserve judgement until it opens, but let it suffice to say that I'm feeling quite a bit of trepidation.
    "I've always thought pastrami was the most sensuous of the salted cured meats."
  • Post #79 - March 30th, 2011, 8:27 am
    Post #79 - March 30th, 2011, 8:27 am Post #79 - March 30th, 2011, 8:27 am
    Independent George wrote:I'll keep my knives sheathed until it opens and we get some first-hand reporting, but let me at least enunciate my concerns:

    1. By selling 'exclusivity' as an end in and of itself, the target market seems to be status-conscious D-Bags looking to burn their money in the most extravagent way available.

    2. A bar depends on its environment as much if not more than its drinks or its food, and I really have no interest in being around the aforementioned status-conscious D-Bags.

    3. To paraphrase Bourdain, I will pay for quality, but I won't pay for BS. Even if the quality is there (and I fully expect it will be), the potential for BS is astronomical. I'll reserve judgement until it opens, but let it suffice to say that I'm feeling quite a bit of trepidation.

    1. Have they actually sold 'exclusivity?' As far as I know they have not sold anything.
    2. A bar is always about environment. It is why most people go to bars.
    3. What is this BS you speak of?

    I don't know George, it seems that although you have not made judgement, you sure have a lot of pretenses.
  • Post #80 - March 30th, 2011, 8:45 am
    Post #80 - March 30th, 2011, 8:45 am Post #80 - March 30th, 2011, 8:45 am
    yellow truffle wrote:1. Have they actually sold 'exclusivity?' As far as I know they have not sold anything.
    2. A bar is always about environment. It is why most people go to bars.
    3. What is this BS you speak of?

    I don't know George, it seems that although you have not made judgement, you sure have a lot of pretenses.


    I'm basing it on this quote:

    "From the moment it opens, it will be among the most exclusive bars in the country — open by reservation, perhaps, or maybe just invitation. “The logistics of access,” Schoettler said, “are still in the works.”"


    I apologize if I'm misinterpreting, but the whole concept seems to be to based around keeping people out than on welcoming them in. That rubs me raw.
    "I've always thought pastrami was the most sensuous of the salted cured meats."
  • Post #81 - March 30th, 2011, 9:15 am
    Post #81 - March 30th, 2011, 9:15 am Post #81 - March 30th, 2011, 9:15 am
    I believe the "exclusivity" is limited to a small, downstairs portion of the bar. Not all of next/aviary will be like that.
  • Post #82 - March 30th, 2011, 9:24 am
    Post #82 - March 30th, 2011, 9:24 am Post #82 - March 30th, 2011, 9:24 am
    Independent George wrote:
    yellow truffle wrote:1. Have they actually sold 'exclusivity?' As far as I know they have not sold anything.
    2. A bar is always about environment. It is why most people go to bars.
    3. What is this BS you speak of?

    I don't know George, it seems that although you have not made judgement, you sure have a lot of pretenses.


    I'm basing it on this quote:

    "From the moment it opens, it will be among the most exclusive bars in the country — open by reservation, perhaps, or maybe just invitation. “The logistics of access,” Schoettler said, “are still in the works.”"


    I apologize if I'm misinterpreting, but the whole concept seems to be to based around keeping people out than on welcoming them in. That rubs me raw.


    Got it. I do hope that this will not be the case in the long term. But perhaps I can understand it being the case in the immediate. :shock:

    Let me explain... My theory is that they are first going to respond (read: invite) to those that clicked the 'Notify Me' link on the restaurant's home page. Once they have exhausted that list, and evaluated how things went, they will continue in a manner that works best for them.

    If they do it like Alinea, then IMHO it will be fair. Alinea has a set number of tables and once they are filled up, the books are closed and people go on the wait list. There is no special table for a VIP or FOH. These guys are not as concerned about image. They want to do things right. And they want to do it their way.
  • Post #83 - March 30th, 2011, 11:36 am
    Post #83 - March 30th, 2011, 11:36 am Post #83 - March 30th, 2011, 11:36 am
    Will there be a ticket limit? Will is be possible for scalpers to buy up whole blocks and horde them? If there is a ticket limit, what will the limit be? What should the limit be?
  • Post #84 - March 30th, 2011, 12:34 pm
    Post #84 - March 30th, 2011, 12:34 pm Post #84 - March 30th, 2011, 12:34 pm
    hard to complain about the booking process when it hasn't been started yet. as far as exclusivity goes, it's their place and they can do whatever they want, and people will "vote" with their money. i suspect Achatz/Kokonas and co are going through the various 'net opinions and having a pretty good chuckle.

    David Chang kicked punched everyone in the stomach with his Momofuku Ko reservation system (100% web for everyone, even critics/etc). If the ticketing to Next is a failure, maybe they can play if off as an art experiment about how the new foodie hype movement is getting a tad ridiculous.

    For me, as long as pictures are still allowed I'll live vicariously until I can get in.
  • Post #85 - March 30th, 2011, 1:43 pm
    Post #85 - March 30th, 2011, 1:43 pm Post #85 - March 30th, 2011, 1:43 pm
    Vitesse98 wrote:Will there be a ticket limit? Will is be possible for scalpers to buy up whole blocks and horde them? If there is a ticket limit, what will the limit be? What should the limit be?


    From the Metromix site:

    If you haven’t signed up yet, now’s your last chance.
    When plans for Next and The Aviary were announced last May, fans could click on a link on nextrestaurant.com and provide an email address to be notified when tickets become available. The list was at more than 22,000 at Kokonas’ last check and grows by a few dozen to a few hundred entries daily. That “Notify me” link will be going away very soon, “at the end of this week sometime,” Kokonas said.

    Ticket notifications will go out soon.
    Though we don’t know exactly when tickets will be sold, Kokonas has made it clear exactly how they’ll be sold. Staff, family and investors will get first crack at tickets. Then, an email will be sent to the first 500 addresses on the mailing list, in the order they were added starting last May. Blasts will continue to another 500 addresses every hour after that before the ticketing site goes public. Kokonas estimates they’ll offer about 7,500 tickets for the 12-week run of the Paris 1906 menu, so easy math tells us they’ll likely sell out fast. Tickets for the next 12-week menu won’t be released until a later date.

    Signing up more than once doesn’t help.
    Duplicate addresses are purged from the list, so signing up every day doesn’t do you any good. “There was like literally one guy that must have signed up every single day for a month … and it turns out he was a concierge,” Kokonas said. Just as hotel concierges purchase theater tickets for their guests, you can bet they’ll be trying to do the same with Next.

    You won’t be able to forward to a friend.
    Those on the email list will be receive a link to buy tickets as well as a unique user ID and password that can be used to make one reservation. That means you won’t be able to share the link with all of your friends.

    If you don’t get tickets, there may be other ways to get in.
    “We’ll probably allow a couple walk-ins once we’re up to full speed,” Kokonas said. If you're drinking at The Aviary next door, there's the chance you could get lucky and score the occasional late-night impromptu dinner at Next. “The kitchen will have the option on the back-end that, if they have the energy and capacity foodwise, to say to the Aviary staff, hey, we can do two more tables at 10 o’ clock tonight.” It’s also possible that they’ll use the restaurant’s Twitter feed (@NextRestaurant) to get the word out about walk-in opportunities as they pop up.

    Don’t plan for a big group.
    Only tables of two and four are available, with the exception of the kitchen table. This six-person table will feature an expanded 14-course version of the Paris 1906 menu to the tune of $150 per person. “We’ve got some really cool service pieces that are antiques for that table that we’re going to bring out and surprise people with,” he said. “The menu there is insane … and it’s once a night.”
  • Post #86 - March 31st, 2011, 8:12 am
    Post #86 - March 31st, 2011, 8:12 am Post #86 - March 31st, 2011, 8:12 am
    So you can only buy tickets for one span at a time? Does anyone know if they'll still be offering "season" tickets? Will there be a big rush for tickets every time the menu changes? One thing frustrating me is that all the potential future menus suggested have seemed great, whereas what's been hinted at for this Paris 1906 doesn't sound all that appealing to me. So will procuring seats for each 12-week menu be a catch as catch can crap-shoot every three or four months?
  • Post #87 - March 31st, 2011, 2:37 pm
    Post #87 - March 31st, 2011, 2:37 pm Post #87 - March 31st, 2011, 2:37 pm
    It looks like Nick Kokonas maintains Next's Facebook page and is pretty good about answering questions there. I would ask him your questions directly.
    -Josh

    I've started blogging about the Stuff I Eat
  • Post #88 - April 2nd, 2011, 8:36 am
    Post #88 - April 2nd, 2011, 8:36 am Post #88 - April 2nd, 2011, 8:36 am
    Last night we ate at Next and had a couple of drinks at Aviary as part of a friends and family night (I'm still stunned we were invited).

    The meal was comped and it was still just a dress rehearsal so I don't want to get into to much detail. I will say that these are both going to be very special places. The dinner at Next was definitely one of the best classic French meals I've ever had. The duck is sure to be a signature dish.

    Aviary is very interesting. I'm sure there will be cocktail snobs turned off by the setup, but I really enjoyed what we had (for one of my drinks I had the Old Fashioned where you had to break the ice to get to the drink. I want to keep the ice breaking method a surprise though, it's very clever and a lot of fun). It's probably best to think of Aviary as a restaurant that primarily "cooks" drinks. I really wouldn't consider it a true bar. There's also a nice selection of "bites" to go with the drinks.

    I'm very excited to see how both places continue to evolve.
    -Josh

    I've started blogging about the Stuff I Eat
  • Post #89 - April 2nd, 2011, 11:24 am
    Post #89 - April 2nd, 2011, 11:24 am Post #89 - April 2nd, 2011, 11:24 am
    It looks like the Next website has been updated and lost the YouTube video.
  • Post #90 - April 4th, 2011, 3:05 pm
    Post #90 - April 4th, 2011, 3:05 pm Post #90 - April 4th, 2011, 3:05 pm
    There are two threads on Next right now, I chose this one because it appears to be more about the operational aspects (the other is more about the food).

    http://twitter.com/Gachatz/status/52825818841358336

    Any guesses about how the whole ticket thing is going to play out if they are indeed opening (day after tomorrow)? Either they need to sell some tickets fast, or announce how a soft opening is going to work, or I see a mob forming Wednesday night. Even if they don't actually open on Wed., I still can imagine a bunch of people showing up because of this tweet.

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