Athena wrote:NoMi has closed as well, hasn't it?
Anyone eaten at L20 recently & can comment on the reasons for the drop?
kl1191 wrote:are we allowed to be uproariously disappointed that there was so little change?
I had my first experiences at L2O and Ria this past weekend. Granted, only one data point each, but L2O came out on top for me in every category - creativity, execution, and service. I can't compare L2O to what it was before, but based on comparison to Ria and the 1*s on the list that I've been to, something is awry.Athena wrote:Anyone eaten at L20 recently & can comment on the reasons for the drop?
dansch wrote:I had my first experiences at L2O and Ria this past weekend. Granted, only one data point each, but L2O came out on top for me in every category - creativity, execution, and service. I can't compare L2O to what it was before, but based on comparison to Ria and the 1*s on the list that I've been to, something is awry.Athena wrote:Anyone eaten at L20 recently & can comment on the reasons for the drop?
-Dan
incite wrote:There are an additional 90 recommended restaurants, but it's still a bit disappointing.
aschie30 wrote:My sense is that Michelin was not impressed by Brennan's credentials, and was wont to award 2 or 3 stars to a restaurant under his tenure regardless of the food. From what I understand from people who work at Lettuce, Brennan is a talented, but essentially, a corporate chef; a guy who you can count on to do the job, but who doesn't have the pedigree that most Michelin 2 or 3* chefs have.
theskinnyduck wrote:Re: Next. I wonder how many times they actually managed to visit.
justrnr500 wrote:theskinnyduck wrote:Re: Next. I wonder how many times they actually managed to visit.
And yet Schwa has a star. Not that I disagree with that (in the slightest), but they were all apparently able to get in there (a feat I've only managed once after three years of trying), so the reasoning of "it's hard to get into" strikes me as a total cop out. They must have something against eating at 9:30 at night.
aschie30 wrote:they have zero interest in places that require advanced planning/scrambling (Next) or the inconvenience of a no reservations policy at a popular restaurant
nsxtasy wrote:aschie30 wrote:they have zero interest in places that require advanced planning/scrambling (Next) or the inconvenience of a no reservations policy at a popular restaurant
The star for Longman & Eagle and the Bib Gourmand for Avec testify to the contrary.
aschie30 wrote:dansch wrote:I had my first experiences at L2O and Ria this past weekend. Granted, only one data point each, but L2O came out on top for me in every category - creativity, execution, and service. I can't compare L2O to what it was before, but based on comparison to Ria and the 1*s on the list that I've been to, something is awry.Athena wrote:Anyone eaten at L20 recently & can comment on the reasons for the drop?
-Dan
Dan, by the time you ate at L2O this past weekend, Francis Brennan was long gone, so you probably weren't experiencing L2O in the form it was over the past year. Having said that, I don't know if post-Brennan changes had taken effect already.
My sense is that Michelin was not impressed by Brennan's credentials, and was wont to award 2 or 3 stars to a restaurant under his tenure regardless of the food. From what I understand from people who work at Lettuce, Brennan is a talented, but essentially, a corporate chef; a guy who you can count on to do the job, but who doesn't have the pedigree that most Michelin 2 or 3* chefs have.
Chefcon wrote:The guide has outlived it's usefulness. I am sure that at some point the guide made sense with what was going on in gastronomy. However, it seems unwilling to outside of it's preconceived notion of what fine dining should be and this image is outdated by years if not decades.
In reading about the chef saga in the media, it appears that Rich Melman continually butted heads with Gras and hired Brennan because he was more "manageable" (no surprise given his experience as a corporate chef). While I haven't dined at L20 since Gras' departure, I'd imagine that the quality must have inevitably declined without the presence of a powerful visionary such as Gras.
From what I understand from people who work at Lettuce, Brennan is a talented, but essentially, a corporate chef; a guy who you can count on to do the job, but who doesn't have the pedigree that most Michelin 2 or 3* chefs have.