Paula Deen SHOCKER (not)
Paula Deen SHOCKER (not)
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Post #61 - January 22nd, 2012, 11:19 amIt would be kind of weird to be the spokeswoman for a drug and not reveal her disease
But the point is that it looks like, accurate or not, that she concealed it until she found a way to make some additional money off it. Why not disclose it a couple of years ago?
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Post #62 - January 22nd, 2012, 12:36 pmHi- I know it is not easy to lose weight, but if she would have done what Art Smith did when he found out he was diabetic, I would have had more respect for her.
When Art Smith found out he was diabetic, he changed his diet, and lost a ton of weight, and was able to reverse his diabetes. I believe he was able to lose 100 pounds. Now he cheats one day a week, and is able to maintain his weight. He also promotes exercise.
All Paula is doing is preaching moderation, and tells you that you can eat what ever you want as long as you do it in moderation. If she traveled around the country, and showed people how they could reverse their diabetes through diet and exercise, I would be a lot more respectful of her. I have not heard her promoting exercise at all. All she is saying is that you can continue to eat what you want if you are diabetic, as long as you do it in moderation. Hope this helps, Nancy
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Post #63 - January 22nd, 2012, 4:45 pmronnie_suburban wrote:It's public (if not common) knowledge that Bourdain is a former heroin addict. It's covered in-depth in Kitchen Confidential, his autobiography from 2000 that brought him to prominence. What I've always appreciated about him is that he's very much 'what you see is what you get.' Whether one likes him or not, I think most people know exactly where he's coming from. He may be a pompous, judgmental pundit but he's not a huckster.
The Paula Deen situation seems entirely different to me. First of all, she's feeding people, not being fed, as Bourdain usually is. And like many folks who've come and gone on Food Network over the years, her on-air persona has felt, from the start, like not much more than an intensive marketing effort, primarily designed to build a brand, sell cookbooks and other products . . . and some of her endorsement deals are questionable, at best. So, when this latest development was made public, it was an emphatic pin-prick to that ever-inflating balloon. In spite of the publicly-given reasons, the delay between when she learned of her diabetes and made it public seems like nothing more than a profit-focused attempt to deceive the public just a bit longer about the perils of specifically what she espouses. That may not have been her intent but that's certainly how it's playing to a lot of observers and commenters.
I'm not in a position to disagree about Deen because I know very little about her. And I agree about Bourdain, overall. I'm a big fan of his writing for the most part and, yeah, judgmental and pundit-y is a good way to describe the stuff I don't like. Plus, he seemed very nice when I met him a few years ago; he was fun and he just gave off a good vibe. Much better than I expected, in fact.
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Post #64 - January 22nd, 2012, 5:23 pmrickster wrote:Putting Bourdain aside, how many overweight TV chefs are there who are likely to be on cholesterol reducing drugs while they continue to promote dishes that are high in fat, contributing to cardiac disease and hypertension? If Mario Batali or Emeril revealed they were on Lipitor for the past 5 years, would they be subject to the same outrage that Paula Deen is receiving? Somehow, I think not.
The logic of your argument is tempting, but for me a major difference is that most people who take Lipitor take it for the prevention of heart disease, while Deen has already been diagnosed with her disease. As such, she seems to be "living proof" that eating the way she has seemed to recommend can cause people harm.
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Post #65 - January 22nd, 2012, 6:33 pmriddlemay wrote: she seems to be "living proof" that eating the way she has seemed to recommend can cause people harm.
This is a very nice way to put it. Combined w the fact that she was cashing in promoting this type of cooking/eating while having diabetes, combined with the fact that she happens to have an endorsement deal when she does come out with her condition further makes others point. How people have a problem w people calling bs on this is confusing...to put it nicely.
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Post #66 - January 24th, 2012, 8:20 amMore (non) reaction HERE
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Post #67 - January 24th, 2012, 11:36 amPaula Dean's publicist quits
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/2 ... 27621.html
The New York Post reported today that Nancy Assuncao, Paula Deen's former publicist, quit about a month ago after learning that her employer planned to endorse Victoza, a diabetes drug manufactured by pharmaceutical company Novo Nordisk.
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Post #68 - January 24th, 2012, 12:37 pmThere seems to be an assumption that Deen was promoting a style of eating that can lead to Diabetes. To my knowledge (I'm not expert, I confess), it is not high fat foods or high sugar foods that are linked to diabitese. Rather, to the extent life style is a cause (genetics play a role), there is a strong link between obesity and diabetes. You can eat high fat foods and high sugar foods, and so long as you do so in moderation and as part of an overall healthy diet, there is no reasons to believe you are increasing your risk of diabetes. No doubt high fat and high sugar foods (really any high calorie foods) will be the cause of obestity, if you eat too much, but it's not the food, it how they are incorporated in one's overally diet.
That raises the question of what Deen was "promoting." I don't watch her shows, but I think most people recognize that, in general, many of the recipes on cooking shows are special occassion/indulgence type of meals. Did Deen suggest or imply that her recipes are fine for everyday cooking?
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Post #69 - January 24th, 2012, 4:44 pmJonah wrote:There seems to be an assumption that Deen was promoting a style of eating that can lead to Diabetes. To my knowledge (I'm not expert, I confess), it is not high fat foods or high sugar foods that are linked to diabitese. Rather, to the extent life style is a cause (genetics play a role), there is a strong link between obesity and diabetes. You can eat high fat foods and high sugar foods, and so long as you do so in moderation and as part of an overall healthy diet, there is no reasons to believe you are increasing your risk of diabetes. No doubt high fat and high sugar foods (really any high calorie foods) will be the cause of obestity, if you eat too much, but it's not the food, it how they are incorporated in one's overally diet.
That raises the question of what Deen was "promoting." I don't watch her shows, but I think most people recognize that, in general, many of the recipes on cooking shows are special occassion/indulgence type of meals. Did Deen suggest or imply that her recipes are fine for everyday cooking?
I don't really know for sure, but me and (more so) my girlfriend watch some of these cooking shows on occasion and I have never seen her making anything remotely healthy. Giada and Rachel Ray commonly cook things that are much more healthy and actually talk about the bad things that they show you how to cook as being "indulgences." I think that's the difference.
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Post #70 - January 25th, 2012, 10:54 amHi- Yes, there might be famous chefs who are on Lipitor, but they don't endorse the product. I saw the second installment of the new cooking show on cooking channel with Bobby Dean last night, and Paula just walked into his kitchen in NYC unannounced. I am sure it was staged. Bobby redid two of her recipes. The pimento cheese spread he substituted Greek yogurt for the Hellman's, and ysed lower fat cheese. For her gooey butter cake, he onlu used one tablespoon of butter, and he used low fat cream cheese.
I am not surprised that no celebrity chefs are coming to her defense. No, butter and cream do not cause diabetes, but they cause most people to gain weight in eaten in excess, and excess weight, can cause you to become diabetic if you are genetically predisposed. You can only be 20 pounds overweight, and still develop diabetes if you are genetically predisposed, as my sister the endocrinologist has reminded me on several occasions. Hope this helps, Nancy
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Post #71 - January 25th, 2012, 12:12 pmziggy wrote:I don't really know for sure, but me and (more so) my girlfriend watch some of these cooking shows on occasion and I have never seen her making anything remotely healthy.
This.
As an example, I give you Paula Dean's broccoli salad recipe:
1 head broccoli
6 to 8 slices cooked bacon, crumbled
1/2 cup chopped red onion
1/2 cup raisins, optional
8 ounces sharp Cheddar, cut into very small chunks
1 cup mayonnaise
2 tablespoons white vinegar
1/4 cup sugar
1/2 cup halved cherry tomatoes
Salt and freshly ground black pepper
Quoted in this article http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/66008096.html
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Post #72 - January 25th, 2012, 12:17 pmWell...not healthy really, but better...and I have to say that sounds pretty good. Although I'd cut down the bacon and cheese and use light mayo...please don't be angry, seebee!
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Post #73 - January 25th, 2012, 5:07 pmI read an interesting book by a cardiologist who says it's not fat that causes elevated triglycerides, its fat plus CARBS. The book is called Wheat Belly and it's very interesting. He says that wheat has been so altered over the last 50 years that the proteins are not the same as they were 50 years ago and that they seem to be more hazardous to health than the wheat people ate 100 years ago. He attributes a lot of diseases to gluten intolerance, including diabetes. He says that 2 slices of whole wheat bread raise your blood sugar more than 2 tablespoons (I think that's the amount) of sugar. I checked out a couple of different glycemic index lists and that is true. SO many of her dishes seem to be fat laden carbs.
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Post #74 - January 25th, 2012, 6:59 pmSO many of her dishes seem to be fat laden carbs.
With extra carbs added. Why does broccoli salad need 1/4 cup of SUGAR added to it.
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Post #75 - January 25th, 2012, 8:56 pm1 head broccoli- OKAY
6 to 8 slices cooked bacon, crumbled- SUBS. TURKEY BACON
1/2 cup chopped red onion OKAY
1/2 cup raisins, optional CUT DOWN ON THIS
8 ounces sharp Cheddar, cut into very small chunks USE HALF AMOUNT OF CHEESE OR OMIT. USE SHREDDED INSTEAD OF CHUNKS.
1 cup mayonnaise CUT THIS IN HALF AND USE LIGHT MAYO
2 tablespoons white vinegar OKAY
1/4 cup sugar USE A COUPLE TBSP. OR USE SUGAR SUBST. OF CHOICE
1/2 cup halved cherry tomatoes OKAY
Salt and freshly ground black pepper OKAY
My comments on how you could cut down and make this salad healthy.Toria
"I like this place and willingly could waste my time in it" - As You Like It,
W. Shakespeare
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Post #76 - January 25th, 2012, 10:59 pmHi- On TV today, they were talking about Paula and her cruise. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, she is hosting a cruise this week. It sounds like she is not maintaining her diabetic diet while she is on the cruise. At least the cruise only lasts a week.
Maybe Paula should become a contestant on Fat Chef?
Thanks, Nancy
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Post #77 - January 26th, 2012, 9:17 amknitgirl wrote:I read an interesting book by a cardiologist who says it's not fat that causes elevated triglycerides, its fat plus CARBS.
That's true indeed. My doctor told me that too, and put me on a low carb diet with -gasp- cardio exercise. She said, and I paraphrase only slightly, "maybe you should lay off some of the pie and get to the gym."
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Post #78 - January 26th, 2012, 1:33 pmI hope we don't have to start calling you "Gym Lady."
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Post #79 - January 26th, 2012, 2:32 pmBwahahahaha! Not likely!
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Post #80 - January 26th, 2012, 7:16 pmNFriday wrote:Hi- On TV today, they were talking about Paula and her cruise. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, she is hosting a cruise this week. It sounds like she is not maintaining her diabetic diet while she is on the cruise. At least the cruise only lasts a week.
Maybe Paula should become a contestant on Fat Chef?
Thanks, Nancy
Well the new Paula may be bidding a hasty retreat: http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/26/paula-dee ... adid=hero1
Warning: Do not follow this link if you think a picture of Paula eating a cheeseburger following her health announcement in a public place surrounded by camera-toting tourists is an invasion of privacy.Last edited by PortPkPaul on January 27th, 2012, 1:01 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Post #81 - January 27th, 2012, 10:03 amDid that sandwich do something bad to her children? Because it looks like she's out for vengeance.
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Post #82 - January 27th, 2012, 10:50 amI have nothing against people who watch TMZ*, and it's perfectly ethical to post - on a public discussion forum - covert closeup pictures of a person eating**, and it's easy to understand how my posts are often considered so much less tolerable and more damaging than these.***
* Yes I do.
** No it's not.
*** Yeah right....defended from strong temptations to social ambition by a still stronger taste for tripe and onions." Screwtape in The Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis
Fuckerberg on Food
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Post #83 - January 27th, 2012, 12:35 pmKennyz wrote:I have nothing against people who watch TMZ*, and it's perfectly ethical to post - on a public discussion forum - covert closeup pictures of a person eating**, and it's easy to understand how my posts are often considered so much less tolerable and more damaging than these.***
* Yes I do.
** No it's not.
*** Yeah right.
Even for a PD hater like me, the TMZ thing was a really cheap shot (no surprise there). Everyone eats. People put food in their mouths and it's usually not pretty when they do. Someone snapped a shot of PD mid-bite. Would it have looked any better if she were eating a healthful sandwich? Slow news day, I guess.
=R=By protecting others, you save yourself. If you only think of yourself, you'll only destroy yourself. --Kambei Shimada
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There's a horse loose in a hospital --JM
That don't impress me much --Shania Twain
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Post #84 - January 27th, 2012, 12:58 pmronnie_suburban wrote:Kennyz wrote:I have nothing against people who watch TMZ*, and it's perfectly ethical to post - on a public discussion forum - covert closeup pictures of a person eating**, and it's easy to understand how my posts are often considered so much less tolerable and more damaging than these.***
* Yes I do.
** No it's not.
*** Yeah right.
Even for a PD hater like me, the TMZ thing was a really cheap shot (no surprise there). Everyone eats. People put food in their mouths and it's usually not pretty when they do. Someone snapped a shot of PD mid-bite. Would it have looked any better if she were eating a healthful sandwich? Slow news day, I guess.
=R=
The really sad part is that you made me look at TMZ.
Steve Z.
“Only the pure in heart can make a good soup.”
― Ludwig van Beethoven
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Post #85 - January 27th, 2012, 1:57 pmOne night at the United Center they put me eating a hot dog up on the big screen. This is where they do that bit where they take someone eating and speed it up either in forward or reverse motion. I can assure you, it wasn't a whole lot more flattering than Ms. Deen's TMZ shot. This may be the one time I have some sympathy for her.
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Post #86 - January 27th, 2012, 2:33 pmjesteinf wrote:One night at the United Center they put me eating a hot dog up on the big screen. This is where they do that bit where they take someone eating and speed it up either in forward or reverse motion. I can assure you, it wasn't a whole lot more flattering than Ms. Deen's TMZ shot. This may be the one time I have some sympathy for her.
Wasn't there a Seinfeld where George was going to town on a sundae and it made it on television?
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Post #87 - January 27th, 2012, 3:04 pmYep. I don't know how to link it.
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Post #88 - January 27th, 2012, 3:19 pmLOL...thankfully it wasn't that bad. But of course it was a game where like 10 people I know were also at the game. So many texts...
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Post #89 - January 29th, 2012, 11:26 pmNFriday wrote:You can only be 20 pounds overweight, and still develop diabetes if you are genetically predisposed, as my sister the endocrinologist has reminded me on several occasions.
If you are not genetically predisposed, you will not develop diabetes. As Geralyn Spollett of the American Diabetes Association said, "You can’t just eat your way to Type 2 diabetes."
If you are genetically predisposed, you may develop diabetes even if you eat healthfully and are not overweight. Healthful diet and exercise reduce your risk, but do not eliminate it. Why some people with a family history of diabetes develop the disease and others do not is poorly understood. Some studies indicate that drinking four cups of caffeinated coffee daily may reduce your risk.
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Post #90 - January 30th, 2012, 1:24 am[quote="rickster"]Putting Bourdain aside, how many overweight TV chefs are there who are likely to be on cholesterol reducing drugs while they continue to promote dishes that are high in fat, contributing to cardiac disease and hypertension? If Mario Batali or Emeril revealed they were on Lipitor for the past 5 years, would they be subject to the same outrage that Paula Deen is receiving? Somehow, I think not. {/quote]
If I was in PERFECT SHAPE physically and had a significant heart disease running through generations of my family tree, I would be at the doctor's office pushing for a prescription of a statin drug based on the things that I have read.
I have no concerns with the medical treatments people take to prevent illness.Last edited by jlawrence01 on January 30th, 2012, 6:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
