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  • Post #31 - September 10th, 2004, 10:12 am
    Post #31 - September 10th, 2004, 10:12 am Post #31 - September 10th, 2004, 10:12 am
    Thanks. You answered before I could go back and add to my post. I started to e-mail known tendon fan, Zim about the tendon in my pho the other day at Tank, but then I thought this was too good a tendon to keep between tendon fans.

    Actually, I am not really a tendon fan. Aside from the tendon in chile sauce at Lao Sze Chuan, I mostly eat tendon to be nice to the cooks, the way one has to also put up with a bit of spleen while eating Korean beef marrow soup. Yet, the tendon in Tank's pho rewarded my faith in getting it "the way they do".

    To me, this tendon was something that the old Trio or maybe the new Moto would do. Big masses of unctious beef essence, like something that was created out of modern scientific kitchen techniques instead of simply grabbing a piece of cow that most American butchers have been throwing out for years.

    I know the other day we were talking about the value of the broth in pho, but at Tank what I liked best was the meats and such inside. I mean if the tendon is that good, what about the rare beef, and yes it was that good. All the meats were better than in other bowls of pho I've had of late.

    Of course, having been won over on the tendon, I am still eating the meatball mostly because it is there. There is a slight appeal to that fishy flavor intermingled with the pork, but I've never grown to like the bounce in these balls.

    Rob
  • Post #32 - September 10th, 2004, 11:02 am
    Post #32 - September 10th, 2004, 11:02 am Post #32 - September 10th, 2004, 11:02 am
    Vital Information wrote:Of course, having been won over on the tendon, I am still eating the meatball mostly because it is there. There is a slight appeal to that fishy flavor intermingled with the pork, but I've never grown to like the bounce in these balls.

    Rob,

    Interestingly, I was reading Authentic Vietnamese Cooking by Corinne Trang the other day and it's potato starch that "gives the meatballs their quenelle-like smooth and somewhat springy texture."

    Speaking of delicious tendon, here's a picture from an outing at Han Bat for Sol lung tang, Korean bone marrow soup. I believe this is the exact moment Seth Z coined the phrase Tendonerific.

    Image

    Enjoy,
    Gary

    Han Bat Restaurant
    2723 W Lawrence Ave
    Chicago, IL 60625
    (773) 271-8640
  • Post #33 - September 17th, 2004, 4:55 pm
    Post #33 - September 17th, 2004, 4:55 pm Post #33 - September 17th, 2004, 4:55 pm
    The new Tank seems to be doing huge business. I ran into Eric M. last Sunday while I was picking up a togo order. My wait was so long, Eric was served and finished his meal....BE CAREFUL ON WEEKENDS.

    Eric and I discussed the reasons for the rush. I commented that in the old space there were not any big tables to accomodate family dining, just the long table near the front that was hard to get into and out of.

    Anyway, we went with a huge group on Thursday a week ago. I thought the meal was delicious....but timing was a bit off, they need to work out the details.

    I look forward to many years of Tank at this site.

    pd
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  • Post #34 - September 23rd, 2004, 3:19 pm
    Post #34 - September 23rd, 2004, 3:19 pm Post #34 - September 23rd, 2004, 3:19 pm
    Hi,

    To avoid any disappointment, note Tank is closed on Thursdays.

    Tank Noodle
    4953 N Broadway
    Chicago, IL 60640
    773-878-2253
    8:30-11pm
    Cathy2

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  • Post #35 - September 28th, 2004, 4:06 pm
    Post #35 - September 28th, 2004, 4:06 pm Post #35 - September 28th, 2004, 4:06 pm
    pdaane wrote:The new Tank seems to be doing huge business. I ran into Eric M. last Sunday while I was picking up a togo order. My wait was so long, Eric was served and finished his meal....BE CAREFUL ON WEEKENDS.



    It was incredibly crowded on Sunday afternoon! So much so that I broke my from tradition and watched NFL games with a fairly dissapointing Pho Hung meal (average tripe/marrow/steak pho, bad S&P Shrimps). Is there a consensus on a 2nd place carry-out joint on Argyle? I've never been to 888, I did think 777 was decent last time. While I'm on this Vietnamese thread, how much do the whole ducks hanging in the window across from Pho Hung cost? Do they lop-off the heads?
  • Post #36 - September 28th, 2004, 6:10 pm
    Post #36 - September 28th, 2004, 6:10 pm Post #36 - September 28th, 2004, 6:10 pm
    Hi,

    Ducks cost approx. $10-$12. My personal favorite is the pai-pai style, where it is cut along the back bone and splayed. I like it because there is a higher amount of surface area and thus crispy bits. The regular duck always has skin which never got crispy via roasting. I want maximum crisp skin.

    Pho 777 was amongst the best pho on Argyle until acquired by a new owner. I recently learned some cooks are still there from the prior owner, but obviously cooking without the full expression they previously enjoyed.


    Cathy2, February 15, 2004 wrote:Jumped the Shark - is a website which catalogs old television shows and what story plot line diversion caused the decline and cancellation of a show. Though the concept can apply to restaurants and relationships --- where do we draw the line and say never again.

    In early December, Evan reported a decline in Pho 777, which RST restated just before Christmas. The following is RST's report which links to Evan's original:

    http://www.chowhound.com/midwest/boards ... 35991.html

    In the spirit of JeffB's declaration to take one for the team, I visited Pho 777 today with my Mom and friend to see if this negative trend remains and why.

    I ordered my usual: Goi Cuon (Spring rolls) with peanut sauce, cigar-shaped Cha Gio (egg roll) with a vinegar dipping sauce and Pho 777 Special #1 which has eye of round steak, well done flank, fat brisket, soft tendon, bible trip and meatballs. My Mom and friend also ordered Pho.

    The Spring rolls seemed normal except for the sauce. The sauce usually had a heavy layer of chopped peanuts on the surface, this time it was a bare sprinkling. The sauce itself was heavy on the hoisin, very light on the peanut butter, consequently not its' usual thick, luscious, peanut sauce I adore.

    The cigar shaped egg rolls seemed smaller than normal and didn't come with several sheets of lettuce. It is not unusual to wrap the lettuce leaf around the egg roll and dip into the sauce for extra taste and texture. We had one lonely sheet of decorator lettuce which none of us took because who wanted to look selfish? Though I did later eat it as-is to put it out of its misery!

    At this point, the waitress drops off the fresh vegetables for the soup. I began to make my baby step inquiries into the changes at Pho 777. I commented things are not quite the same as we have normally come to expect here, has anything changed? New owner! My heart sank; I was hoping the cook went on vacation. We started to look over the vegetables to find the jalapeno peppers drying around the edges, the generous quantities of greens were no longer: only 2 strips of the long jagged edged leaf and a small sprig of basil. Limes. Not enough bean sprouts to support 3 large bowls of Pho.

    After a long wait, the Pho finally arrived. I plucked out the meatball first and immediately detected a cold center. The soup stock wasn't the pleasantly somewhat sweet stock but salty and foreign to our recollections. The tripe was roughly cut, under cooked thus it was like chewing on textured, fishnet leather. The other meats were barely present. I never found any tendon nor fatty brisket nor eye of round steak slice, which 'cooks' in the broth. I also had a very large quantity of noodles, where my Mom and friend had substantially less. Therefore after all the solid bits were eaten and only the stock remained, I had a lot less stock and my guests had a lot more. Everything was off, off, off.

    After we received our bill, we waited for too long for someone to take interest in collecting our money. To have an excuse to linger at the cash register, I pocketed the cash and walked up with my credit card. Often while you're standing there waiting for the bank clearance, the owner makes small talk like "How was your dinner," the trap was set. He asked the question. I debated to tell the truth or just smile and say fine. I then noticed some picture business cards on the counter's edge. At a glance, I learned the fellow in front of me works for a financing company and his wife, the distracted waitress who spent more time admiring herself in the mirrors than acknowledging my wave, was a realtor. I decided to narrow in on the truth with specific grievances as outlined above. In conclusion, I said I was here today because of my long patronage however the meal was not up to expectations. He promised I should talk to him in the future. I then commented I had (chow) friends who have been here recently and according to their information the food has sharply declined. I didn't want to believe it, but indeed their opinion is true. I VERY POLITELY opined if your offerings don't improve, then you are tanking your investment (trying to appeal to his business sense).

    Immediately in front of the door was a table waiting bussing with a substantial amount of abandoned food including a chili-tofu soup, which only had a few nibbles extracted. What a waste.

    It really pains me to reconfirm RST's and Evan's negative impressions. Clearly, Pho 777 JUMPED THE SHARK in my book today.

    Now if someone can clarify the situation at Silver Seafood, I think I have made my sacrifice for the team laurels for a while.

    Best regards,
    Cathy2

    Pho 777
    Argyle east of the el on the south side of the street
    (The take out menu has no address!)
    773/561-9909
    Cathy2

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  • Post #37 - September 30th, 2004, 12:12 pm
    Post #37 - September 30th, 2004, 12:12 pm Post #37 - September 30th, 2004, 12:12 pm
    ab wrote:Is there a consensus on a 2nd place carry-out joint on Argyle? I've never been to 888, I did think 777 was decent last time. While I'm on this Vietnamese thread, how much do the whole ducks hanging in the window across from Pho Hung cost? Do they lop-off the heads?


    Here are some thoughts:

    If you are looking for the closest thing to Tank, head to Pho Xe Lua. The menu is virtually identical, and the food is nearly as good.

    It is interesting that you mention 777. For the purpose of staying "current," I revisited Pho 777, twice, in the past two weeks. I ordered pho and bun bo hue. Without any reservation, I can say--and as others have already done so--that the shop has taken a slide. This is a real personal pain, as 777 was, at one time, my favoured/recommended destination for both of these items.

    A couple folks seem to favour Cafe Hoang for bun bo hue, these days. I cannot do so, as I have had an allergic reaction each time that I have tried it. I should hope that YMV.

    As much as I adore the family that runs Thai Binh, I have never thought their food noteworthy. To be honest, I have this sense that the cook suffers from chronic depression. The food doesn't really show the love.

    The same thing can be said for Pho 888. Their cook phones it in, sometimes routing the call through the microwave... :?

    With the exception of pho, Tien Giang does soup noodles well. They could probably do you right with simple seafood and stir-frys, as well.

    I like Dong Thanh a whole lot. I am not crazy about their pho broth, but the tai (sliced rare beef) that they use for it is killer. It is thick-cut, with a proper mineral tang. I really recommend Dong Thanh for stir-fried noodle dishes. Oh, fried noodle dishes and the bun ca ri ga... and the canh chua ca... and...

    Search Chowhound. These shops have all been written about numerous times.

    Regards,
    Erik M.
  • Post #38 - June 6th, 2005, 3:04 pm
    Post #38 - June 6th, 2005, 3:04 pm Post #38 - June 6th, 2005, 3:04 pm
    A Public Service Announcement:

    In an attempt to better serve their patrons, Tank now requires their floor staff to wear camouflage t-shirts.

    Sublime.

    To complete the look, they want the 411 on my gear:

    Image

    No Comply.



    I did tell them that today's meal was as good as ever, though.

    Image
    com thit heo kho hot ga (thit kho tau)*

    E.M.

    BTW, in the last 5 weeks I have managed to complete another "Argyle District Pho Tour," and to my mind, Tank remains at the top of the stack.



    * Rice plate with pork and hard-cooked eggs braised in coconut water.
    Last edited by Erik M. on June 6th, 2005, 8:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
  • Post #39 - June 6th, 2005, 3:45 pm
    Post #39 - June 6th, 2005, 3:45 pm Post #39 - June 6th, 2005, 3:45 pm
    Their cook phones it in, sometimes routing the call through the microwave.


    Oh man, how did I miss that 9 months ago? Now that's a slam...
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  • Post #40 - June 6th, 2005, 4:16 pm
    Post #40 - June 6th, 2005, 4:16 pm Post #40 - June 6th, 2005, 4:16 pm
    Mike G wrote:
    Their cook phones it in, sometimes routing the call through the microwave.


    Oh man, how did I miss that 9 months ago?


    Dude, I plant seeds.

    E.M.

    EDIT: It really is true, though. I have twice ordered dishes at Pho 888 which traditionally involve long-cooking/braising, only to hear the familiar chime of a microwave timer in the background.*

    * Hu tieu bo kho and mi vit tiem. In the case of the latter dish, which traditionally involves a braised whole duck joint, the duck meat had the plasticised texture that can only result from the improper use of a microwave oven.
  • Post #41 - June 7th, 2005, 10:16 am
    Post #41 - June 7th, 2005, 10:16 am Post #41 - June 7th, 2005, 10:16 am
    G Wiv wrote:Cafe Hoang is one of my favorites, with my favorite dish being Goi Ca, which could be best described as Asian chicken salad.

    I first heard about Cafe Hoang's Goi Ca 4-5 years ago in Monica Eng World Eats column.


    Gary,

    Must be a typo. :lol:

    Goi Ca = fish salad
    Goi Ga = chicken salad
  • Post #42 - June 7th, 2005, 10:20 am
    Post #42 - June 7th, 2005, 10:20 am Post #42 - June 7th, 2005, 10:20 am
    Erik M. wrote:A Public Service Announcement:

    In an attempt to better serve their patrons, Tank now requires their floor staff to wear camouflage t-shirts.



    I know it's quite a stretch but that's their attempt to stay close to the theme
    Tank Noodle --> tank = military --> military = camouflage clothing

    Get it? :D
  • Post #43 - June 7th, 2005, 10:43 am
    Post #43 - June 7th, 2005, 10:43 am Post #43 - June 7th, 2005, 10:43 am
    Nghe wrote:
    Erik M. wrote:A Public Service Announcement:

    In an attempt to better serve their patrons, Tank now requires their floor staff to wear camouflage t-shirts.

    I know it's quite a stretch but that's their attempt to stay close to the theme
    Tank Noodle --> tank = military --> military = camouflage clothing

    Get it? :D


    Hey, take it easy on me, I am new to this whole Tank thing.

    At any rate, I guess the sublimity of this event remains lost to you?

    Their express wish is to make it easier for their patrons to identify the members of the floor staff, and they have chosen to do so with the use of a patterned fabric which was specifically designed to make recognition of the person who wears it more difficult.

    E.M.
  • Post #44 - June 7th, 2005, 12:54 pm
    Post #44 - June 7th, 2005, 12:54 pm Post #44 - June 7th, 2005, 12:54 pm
    Erik M. wrote:Their express wish is to make it easier for their patrons to identify the members of the floor staff, and they have chosen to do so with the use of a patterned fabric which was specifically designed to make recognition of the person who wears it more difficult.

    E.M.


    Oh, I'll see the irony now. :idea: Thanks for pointing it out! Cheers!
  • Post #45 - June 7th, 2005, 4:10 pm
    Post #45 - June 7th, 2005, 4:10 pm Post #45 - June 7th, 2005, 4:10 pm
    I get it....I just don't like it.

    I miss the very petite Ms. Kim and her cute outfits. :roll:

    pd
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  • Post #46 - June 7th, 2005, 4:45 pm
    Post #46 - June 7th, 2005, 4:45 pm Post #46 - June 7th, 2005, 4:45 pm
    Nghe wrote:
    Must be a typo. :lol:

    Goi Ca = fish salad
    Goi Ga = chicken salad

    Nghe,

    Yep, thanks for pointing that out. I'll edit my original post.

    Enjoy,
    Gary
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  • Post #47 - August 21st, 2005, 10:55 pm
    Post #47 - August 21st, 2005, 10:55 pm Post #47 - August 21st, 2005, 10:55 pm
    Hi,

    About ten days ago, a friend called to advise Tank had a new menu with lots of pictures. I supposed or hoped maybe one of our fine photographers here offered a hand to Tank on this project. After the Maxwell St. Walkabout, I stopped by Argyle on my way home to check out the new menus.

    Image

    One look at their menu, I knew I was wrong estimating anyone I knew might have provided any photos. The cover with the stemware and what appears to be a loaf of bread in the corner, I knew this was not photographed by anyone here. I don't know where the bad photography ends and bad color matching at the printer begins. The interior photos suggest they were shot at Tank, though someone suggested they could be stock photos. Inside the menu, they seemed to rely on flash and possibly someone played too much with the photo editing though not too expertly.

    The advertizing agency who created the menus have their names on the back. Their address included the initials HCMC, which I believe is Ho Chi Minh City. Color printing is cheaper in Asia than in the USA, so clearly that is where the menus were printed and likely designed.

    The pictures in the menu will provide more information to dishes some might overlook. It's simply a pity for the money spent, there were not better photographs.

    Regards,
    Cathy2

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  • Post #48 - August 23rd, 2005, 11:25 pm
    Post #48 - August 23rd, 2005, 11:25 pm Post #48 - August 23rd, 2005, 11:25 pm
    Cathy2 wrote:About ten days ago, a friend called to advise Tank had a new menu with lots of pictures.

    C2,

    Had a late lunch today at Tank, in addition to pictures they seem to have made some of the menu captions a little more descriptive. I've also noticed the service has gotten better, not that it was bad, but they seem to have smoothed out the rough edges.

    Food wise, iced coffee, Goi Cuon (fresh spring roll) and a sardine Banh Mi.

    Enjoy,
    Gary
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  • Post #49 - September 13th, 2005, 12:33 pm
    Post #49 - September 13th, 2005, 12:33 pm Post #49 - September 13th, 2005, 12:33 pm
    new menu indeed. figured we'd go here instead of 777 just for a change of scenery.

    i had a craving for banh cuon... and man, did this place SUCK for bahn cuon... i thought 777's was bad, this was worse. apparently they spread themselves too thin in this new menu.

    typically, the thin transparent rice noodles sheets are rolled up with a mixture of minced pork, shrimp and black mushroom and sprinkled with shredded fried brown onions. a good bun cuon should be thin, sticky, shiny and smooth on your tongue. yah.. tank's was 0/4 on that. beyond a strike out... with no stuffing to speak off. the rice noodles obviously too thick and dry. tho tank did provide the fried crunchy (fried mung bean flour thingie? can't recall the name of it) which was darned proper... overall it was so bad i had to default to pho #4. ugh...

    what it should look like:
    Image

    for the best banh cuon on this side of the planet:
    Banh Cuon Tay Ho (all they serve is banh cuon, with 4 branches?)
    9242 Bolsa Ave.. Westminster, CA 92683.
  • Post #50 - September 13th, 2005, 5:09 pm
    Post #50 - September 13th, 2005, 5:09 pm Post #50 - September 13th, 2005, 5:09 pm
    TonyC wrote:for the best banh cuon on this side of the planet:
    Banh Cuon Tay Ho (all they serve is banh cuon, with 4 branches?)
    9242 Bolsa Ave.. Westminster, CA 92683.


    It can't possibly be as good as what you can get in New York, though. :twisted:
    Steve Z.

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  • Post #51 - September 13th, 2005, 6:14 pm
    Post #51 - September 13th, 2005, 6:14 pm Post #51 - September 13th, 2005, 6:14 pm
    Another comment on Tank here.
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  • Post #52 - November 17th, 2006, 2:45 pm
    Post #52 - November 17th, 2006, 2:45 pm Post #52 - November 17th, 2006, 2:45 pm
    Cathy2 wrote: BTW - the proper pronounciation of Pho rhymes with duh!


    :oops: Oh, you're joking!! Well, the waiters are Tank were very nice about my mispronunciation the last time I was there. So is it like "fuh" or "puh"?

    Jimthebeerguy and I are thinking of going to Tank tonight. First we're going to the Book Cellar on Lincoln for a book signing by Les Claypool, bassist of Primus, and then we're going to go to Tank or Sun Wah or maybe both (we love the bahn mi but we've been looking forward to trying the BBQ at sun wah and can't make up our minds).

    I made a post in Events, which is where you should reply if you want to meet us there to eat some awesome Vietnamese food. Here is the link: http://www.lthforum.com/bb/viewtopic.php?p=100798#100798
  • Post #53 - November 17th, 2006, 2:47 pm
    Post #53 - November 17th, 2006, 2:47 pm Post #53 - November 17th, 2006, 2:47 pm
    fuh
  • Post #54 - November 17th, 2006, 3:24 pm
    Post #54 - November 17th, 2006, 3:24 pm Post #54 - November 17th, 2006, 3:24 pm
    JeffB wrote:fuh


    I thought it was more like fuh????
    Steve Z.

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  • Post #55 - November 17th, 2006, 3:46 pm
    Post #55 - November 17th, 2006, 3:46 pm Post #55 - November 17th, 2006, 3:46 pm
    stevez wrote:I thought it was more like fuh????


    Ah ok, so it's like ValleygirlSpeak or BlondeSpeak with the uptalking at the end? Please may I have a bowl of fuh? Like that?
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  • Post #56 - November 17th, 2006, 3:51 pm
    Post #56 - November 17th, 2006, 3:51 pm Post #56 - November 17th, 2006, 3:51 pm
    I usually just say Number 43 with egg noodles :oops:

    My Vietnamese friend pronounces it with almost two syllables phah-aah, I have never really cared enough other than to make a courtesy attempt.
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  • Post #57 - November 17th, 2006, 5:17 pm
    Post #57 - November 17th, 2006, 5:17 pm Post #57 - November 17th, 2006, 5:17 pm
    Saint Pizza wrote:
    stevez wrote:I thought it was more like fuh????


    Ah ok, so it's like ValleygirlSpeak or BlondeSpeak with the uptalking at the end? Please may I have a bowl of fuh? Like that?


    By George, she's got it!
    Steve Z.

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  • Post #58 - November 18th, 2006, 9:50 am
    Post #58 - November 18th, 2006, 9:50 am Post #58 - November 18th, 2006, 9:50 am
    Peter,

    Interesting point. I have been corrected thusly by Viet folks in Houston pho shops. But upon asking around on Argyle, I've been told it's more like one syllable. Not sure if there are regional differences (within Vietnam). This is any easy one for many knowledgeable folks here, I'm sure. I'd like to get the correct way down.
  • Post #59 - November 18th, 2006, 10:06 am
    Post #59 - November 18th, 2006, 10:06 am Post #59 - November 18th, 2006, 10:06 am
    Jeff,

    Perhaps it is the Texas drawl...my Viet friend (a least the one who corrected me) is from Houston.
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  • Post #60 - November 18th, 2006, 10:09 am
    Post #60 - November 18th, 2006, 10:09 am Post #60 - November 18th, 2006, 10:09 am
    JeffB wrote:Peter,

    Interesting point. I have been corrected thusly by Viet folks in Houston pho shops. But upon asking around on Argyle, I've been told it's more like one syllable. Not sure if there are regional differences (within Vietnam). This is any easy one for many knowledgeable folks here, I'm sure. I'd like to get the correct way down.


    The best way that I've found to describe the correct pronunciation to a fellow Westerner is "fur?," with the "r" so heavily aspirated that it's almost indistinct.*

    E.M.

    * The question mark indicates that the speaker's voice is slightly raised at the end.

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