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    Post #1 - March 28th, 2013, 6:05 pm
    Post #1 - March 28th, 2013, 6:05 pm Post #1 - March 28th, 2013, 6:05 pm
    Is there an etiquette involved in consuming pho?
    I absolutely love the taste of the broth from the beginning of the bowl to the end after all the throw-ins and sauces.
    My problem is that I want to pick up the bowl and scarve it down when all the solids are gone, yet nearly all patrons I've seen leave some to a lot of broth in the bowl when they are done.
    Anyone know?
    Is ramen the same?
  • Post #2 - March 28th, 2013, 9:46 pm
    Post #2 - March 28th, 2013, 9:46 pm Post #2 - March 28th, 2013, 9:46 pm
    I've asked myself the same question. I hope to see some informative answers.
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  • Post #3 - March 29th, 2013, 12:17 pm
    Post #3 - March 29th, 2013, 12:17 pm Post #3 - March 29th, 2013, 12:17 pm
    From a couple of trips to Vietnam, it's my experience that eating all of the noodles and leaving some of the soup is the norm. No idea why.

    When I was in Vietnam with laikom and gastro gnome, this issue came up as laikom keeps his carb intake to a minimum. As a result, he'd eat all of the meat, veg/herbs, broth, etc., and only some of the noodles. Wherever we went, people kept trying to top off his bowl with more broth - assuming he had run out before he could finish his noodles.

    When I make pho at home, a lot of effort goes in to that broth and I eat it all.

    -Dan
  • Post #4 - March 29th, 2013, 4:40 pm
    Post #4 - March 29th, 2013, 4:40 pm Post #4 - March 29th, 2013, 4:40 pm
    Subject: Tank Noodle Moving

    Cathy2 wrote:HI,

    Erik M and I did visit Tank Noodle at their new location today. We arrived around 12:15, the place was filled with large groups at the 13 or so tables which accomodate 8 or more.

    We expected service to be slow, so we were not very excited when it was, we just kept ourselves amused conversing. It did take some time to get water, menus and tea. Once we placed our order for two Pho's, rare filet on the side, rendered beef fat with scallions in it and a Coke for me, the pace of service improved.

    While waiting for the food to come, Erik had the waiter bring two shallow mixing bowls. In one bowl, he put half Sracha for him and half hoisin sauce for me. Once the soup came, Erik dipped the cooked meat lightly into the Sracha to season it. Into the next bowl, Erik put maybe 2-3 teaspoons of black pepper and a teaspoon of salt. Once the fresh vegetable plate arrived, the lime was squeezed into the salt and pepper, just enough to form a paste. This lime-salt-pepper was used to season the raw filet after it was warmed in the soup. All this was prepared in advance of the soup's arriving so it could be eaten while it was still hot.

    Erik then described how Pho was really all about the broth. He commented the Vietnamese who always dumped Sracha into their broth without tasting were almost always men. He felt they had no appreciation for the care, effort and skill put into the broth like the women did.

    Once the soup arrives, Erik only puts some herbs and bean sprouts into his soup. He prefers to pace it to allow the soup to stay as hot as possible as long as possible. He emphasized if you dump all the cold vegetables you desire all at once, then you also cool the soup faster than is desireable. He mixed in 1-2 soup spoons of the rendered beef fat to enrich the flavor. He also prefers to eat the noodles fast before they cook further in the broth, expand and get mushier.

    During the course of the meal, the lime-pepper-salt mixture got a little soupy. Probably because I may not have drained my filet enough before dipping. Erik corrected the situation by introducing more pepper until it was a paste again.

    I've been coming to Argyle for Pho for perhaps 10 years, I learned about the art of eating Pho only today. Interestingly, I didn't really realize I had anything to learn. IN this thread Erik explains his method of eating Pho himself in case I forgot something.

    According to Erik M the Pho broth, presentation and service (once our order was placed) at Tank today was the same as he has enjoyed at their smaller location east of the El station, which was very, very welcome news.

    Another day well spent: I learned something new! Thanks again Erik!

    Excess broth? I remember discussing this back then. It was normal and expected people would not finish their broth.

    I personally have a hard time leaving broth to be tossed away. If I cannot finish it, I will take it home. This may mean it will be tossed at a later date or it goes into something I am making. I have made pilaf with this broth.

    Regards,
    Cathy2

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  • Post #5 - March 29th, 2013, 7:30 pm
    Post #5 - March 29th, 2013, 7:30 pm Post #5 - March 29th, 2013, 7:30 pm
    Yes, a little bit is supposed to be left.

    I'm a bit multi-cultural about my phô. In China I learned to pick up my soup/noodle bowl to schlurp the liquid. I do the same in Viet places and no one ever looks askance. :wink:

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  • Post #6 - April 2nd, 2013, 2:08 pm
    Post #6 - April 2nd, 2013, 2:08 pm Post #6 - April 2nd, 2013, 2:08 pm
    Why are you supposed to leave some? I couldn't do that here, it's too damn good.
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  • Post #7 - April 4th, 2013, 11:38 am
    Post #7 - April 4th, 2013, 11:38 am Post #7 - April 4th, 2013, 11:38 am
    Pie Lady wrote:Why are you supposed to leave some? I couldn't do that here, it's too damn good.


    I don't think you are "supposed" to leave broth, people just do because most don't want to finish it. I never finish my pho broth; there's simply too much of it. No one will stop you if you want to.

    BUT...

    What really pisses me off, maybe even more so than F'ing up hummus, is when people put tons of plum sauce, sriracha and hot pepper paste in their pho (and, egads - I've seen it - soy sauce, blech). Even when it's less than a great broth, you are basically transforming a perfectly fine, homemade soup to the level of micowave ramen. Those condiments are NOT for adding to the soup, the should be placed on a small plate on the side for dipping the soup's meats. No one seems to get that here.
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  • Post #8 - April 4th, 2013, 11:41 am
    Post #8 - April 4th, 2013, 11:41 am Post #8 - April 4th, 2013, 11:41 am
    I don't think I've ever added anything except maybe cilantro. I usually never touch that little bag they give you, unless I have a bad cold. Then I reach for the sauce. I always feel bad about the rest of the stuff that I toss.
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  • Post #9 - April 4th, 2013, 11:51 am
    Post #9 - April 4th, 2013, 11:51 am Post #9 - April 4th, 2013, 11:51 am
    In Chicago, I purposely leave some broth and get it to go . . . so at home I can test just how gelatinous the stock is from place to place.
  • Post #10 - April 4th, 2013, 12:31 pm
    Post #10 - April 4th, 2013, 12:31 pm Post #10 - April 4th, 2013, 12:31 pm
    I'm with Habibi on additions. The 'salad' certainly goes in, and the lime gets squeezed, but nothing more, (That dash of lime is a *brilliant* addition, what a lovely touch that flavor and acidity adds to the broth!) The sauces get arrayed alongside, and maybe touch a chopsticks-load of noodles to them on the way to your mouth.

    I've noticed that many Vietnamese (and also my buddies who spent time in 'Nam) really load on the salad.

    But it's all about the broth. First thing I do is drink some of the broth all by itself, before any additions at all. That's where the essence of the shop and its cook dwell, in the broth.

    Geo
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