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  • Post #61 - July 26th, 2014, 2:14 pm
    Post #61 - July 26th, 2014, 2:14 pm Post #61 - July 26th, 2014, 2:14 pm
    ronnie_suburban wrote:That's quite different from Fritz Sonnenschmidt's method, which I saw him demonstrate at Kendall College some years ago. He didn't use the soy additives, which is a method I'm much happier with. In my mind, when sausage making first came to be, I don't imagine soy protein concentrate was part of the process, which is why I prefer to work without it.


    I'm sure that's quite true. I'm just saying that it's not unusual to have lower fat percentages in emulsified sausages. Try a bunch of methods and see what works for you. I'm pretty happy with what Rytek Kutas has to say on the matter. It's not something I would have originally considered, but if such an expert sausage maker has it in his recipes, I'll reconsider it. My emulsified sausages have improved (to my taste) with his techniques. Your mileage may vary. Here's the relevant text from the book:

    Here is where soy protein concentrates do the job. They help to bind the met together as well as retain the natural juices of the meat. The job that non-fat dry milk or soy protein concentrates perform in making sausage is very useful indeed. These products are rarely used when making a fresh sausage, because it would give the sausage that bland and greasy look. If this doesn't bother you, however, it's really a good idea to use them. These items are only used in sausage that is going to be smoked and cooked, and the milk or protein has no effect on the appearance of the sausage other than making it look nice and plump.

    For example, let's make 100 lbs of sausage to see what effect soy protein concentrates or non-fat dry milk have. In a 100 lb formula we would use 100 lbs of meat, about 2-3 lbs of salt and spices, about 3 lbs of soy protein concentrate, 1 lb casings and 10 lbs water. After the sausage is made we have a net weight of 117 lbs of sausage.

    We now take this 117 lbs of sausage and smoke it. The sausage is then removed from the smoker, cooled off and weighed , and our end result will be around 105 lbs. What happens here is that during the smoking process the sausage will have shrinkage. The 10 lbs of water you have used to lubricate the meat for stuffing has left the sausage in the process, but we retained the natural juice of the meat.

    If we didn't use non-fat dry milk or soy protein concentrates the end product would be about 85 lbs of sausage, and it would be quite dry. So the soy protein concentrates or non-fat dry milk help to retain the natural juices of the meat as well as bind it together.


    At any rate, it's quite possible and easy to make a relatively lower-fat sausage (in the 15%-20% level) without it being dry and crumbly. Now, I do not use any of this stuff for fresh sausages. But I do like it for emulsified sausages. Do your own experiments and see what you like. You actually probably can get away with not even using these protein products, as emulsified sausage depend on lean meats and their myosin for their properties. This article on emulsified sausages recommends a fat level of about 20%, for example.

    Meat selection

    Lean beef, veal, lean pork. Keep in mind that the color of the sausage will depend on the type of meat used (myoglobin content) and to a smaller degree on spices.
    Fat
    About 20% of fat is needed for good texture, taste and flavor. Hard and soft fats can be used. Pork fat, beef fat, mutton fat, chicken fat or even vegetable oils can be utilized. Beef and lamb fat have a very strong flavor which can be masked by a careful choice of spices. Examples of typical low cost meat formulas:

    Formula A
    Beef trimmings - 60% (80% lean, 20% fat)
    Pork trimmings - 40% (80% lean, 20% fat)
    Formula B
    Beef trimmings - 50% (80% lean, 20% fat)
    Pork trimmings - 50% (80% lean, 20% fat)
  • Post #62 - July 26th, 2014, 7:00 pm
    Post #62 - July 26th, 2014, 7:00 pm Post #62 - July 26th, 2014, 7:00 pm
    Treasure Island is now carrying a line of Publican Meats sausages made for TI, including maple/pork breakfast sausages, a white wine weisswurst, a beer & garlic brat, and andouille. They run $7.99/lb, and are packaged in pairs; the brace of breakfast sausages was under $3. I plan to pick up some andouille tomorrow. Bulletins as events warrant.
  • Post #63 - July 28th, 2014, 11:38 am
    Post #63 - July 28th, 2014, 11:38 am Post #63 - July 28th, 2014, 11:38 am
    Anybody here try Dietz and Watson hot dogs and sausage at Jewel? What do you think of them? They are located near the deli, and they are on sale right now, and there is a $2 off coupon in the Big book of savings at Jewel that is going to expire on 7/31. The big book of savings is usually located in the front of the store, near the sale ads. The all beef hot dogs are on sale for $3, and the beef sausage is on sale for $3. The chicken sausage is on sale 3/$10. It is not marked as being on sale, but when I scanned them last night they were. Unfortunately the Chicago Avenue Jewel in Evanston was out of coupon books last night, and so I just bought one package of chicken sausage, and if I find any coupons at any other Jewel stores, I will take my receipt back. They will let you redeem coupons up to 6o days after you buy an item at the store. I esnted to go to the Skokie Boulevard Jewel in Skokie anyway, and I will check and see if they have any of the books, and maybe buy some more chicken sausage. Hope this helps, Nancy
  • Post #64 - July 30th, 2014, 4:20 pm
    Post #64 - July 30th, 2014, 4:20 pm Post #64 - July 30th, 2014, 4:20 pm
    Re Mariano's giardiniera and habanero jack brats, which have come in for praise here...A friend tells me he's had Mariano's brats and found them excessively salty; in other words, conceding that brats are always salty, he found the Mariano's brats he had to be saltier than the norm for fresh brats and saltier than they need to be. So I guess my question to the Mariano's brats aficionados is, do you just not share my friend's perception? Or would your answer be instead, "Yeah, they are significantly saltier than other fresh brats, but I don't mind that."

    As someone who doesn't mind saltiness but definitely does feel there is such a thing as too-salty, I'm trying to figure out if I'd like these. (Of course one answer is "try them and find out," but I'd rather get a read on it before making a purchase if possible.)
    Pithy quote here.
  • Post #65 - July 30th, 2014, 4:27 pm
    Post #65 - July 30th, 2014, 4:27 pm Post #65 - July 30th, 2014, 4:27 pm
    riddlemay wrote:Re Mariano's giardiniera and habanero jack brats, which have come in for praise here...A friend tells me he's had Mariano's brats and found them excessively salty; in other words, conceding that brats are always salty, he found the Mariano's brats he had to be saltier than the norm for fresh brats and saltier than they need to be. So I guess my question to the Mariano's brats aficionados is, do you just not share my friend's perception? Or would your answer be instead, "Yeah, they are significantly saltier than other fresh brats, but I don't mind that."

    As someone who doesn't mind saltiness but definitely does feel there is such a thing as too-salty, I'm trying to figure out if I'd like these. (Of course one answer is "try them and find out," but I'd rather get a read on it before making a purchase if possible.)

    It's probably relative. The barrier to entry is low. I suggest trying them for yourself.

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  • Post #66 - August 1st, 2014, 7:58 am
    Post #66 - August 1st, 2014, 7:58 am Post #66 - August 1st, 2014, 7:58 am
    I've now had a giardiniera brat from Mariano's. I agree with those who say it's outstanding. (And my experience doesn't line up with that of my friend who said the brats he had from Mariano's were too salty. Don't know if he specifically had the giardiniera brat, but in any case I didn't find the giardiniera brat abnormally salty.)

    What I really liked about it was not just the spice, but how the fresh-vegetable-y flavor of the peppers and such came through in every bite to complement the meat. There was something almost refreshing about the overall flavor, which is not a word I normally associate with brats--or with giardiniera (despite the name), for that matter. Maybe that's what people with a better food vocabulary than me mean when they use the word "bright," I don't know.

    Only mild disappointment was that the Mariano's I shopped at--the new one at Ashland and Elston--doesn't carry the habanero jack brats, so I couldn't try that kind. It wasn't that they were out of them; the woman behind the counter knew of the existence of this variety, and said, "We don't carry them in this store," which sounded more like a permanent condition to me. Not sure why that decision was made, but in any case my delight with the giardiniera brat is what stands out for me today.
    Pithy quote here.
  • Post #67 - August 1st, 2014, 5:35 pm
    Post #67 - August 1st, 2014, 5:35 pm Post #67 - August 1st, 2014, 5:35 pm
    I tried the Mariano's giardiniera brats after reading about them here on the board.
    I excitedly brought them home and promptly got busy overcooking them on the grill.
    Ah well, they were still good.
    However, they aren't brat-y t all.
    In fact, they had fennel seeds, perhaps the defining characteristic of Italian sausage.

    I have also tried a pepper and bourbon (or was it whiskey?) brat to which I'd only give a grade of C.
    The coils of Italian at Mariano's have been consistently good, though.
    In the end, my money remains on those jalapeno cheddar brats.

    Not mentioned in the thread yet are the great house-made sausages at Fresh Farms.
    As if this store didn't already have enough going for it, the sausage offered is really wonderful.
    They often have a small table set up for sampling on the weekends.
    The 'Johnsonville-style brats' are my personal favorite of this type.
    Don't miss the Romanian mitiei by Jenny (casingless, available in beef & lamb and beef & pork, get the lamb), it is world class.
    Jenny herself is sometimes around and a delight to talk sausage.
    They occasionally have an apple brat which is pretty awesome, too.
  • Post #68 - August 4th, 2014, 8:12 am
    Post #68 - August 4th, 2014, 8:12 am Post #68 - August 4th, 2014, 8:12 am
    BrendanR wrote:I tried the Mariano's giardiniera brats after reading about them here on the board.
    I excitedly brought them home and promptly got busy overcooking them on the grill.
    Ah well, they were still good.
    However, they aren't brat-y t all.
    In fact, they had fennel seeds, perhaps the defining characteristic of Italian sausage.


    I was actually wondering about that. It seemed a bit weird to me to be mixing the more delicate flavors of a brat with giardiniera, and that it would work better with an Italian sausage, and it seems like that is, in fact, what they do. I haven't tried one yet, though.
  • Post #69 - August 4th, 2014, 7:20 pm
    Post #69 - August 4th, 2014, 7:20 pm Post #69 - August 4th, 2014, 7:20 pm
    Binko wrote:I was actually wondering about that. It seemed a bit weird to me to be mixing the more delicate flavors of a brat with giardiniera, and that it would work better with an Italian sausage, and it seems like that is, in fact, what they do. I haven't tried one yet, though.
    I just got back from a Mariano's Sausage Run and it appears that I was mistaken.
    The giardiniera sausage is in fact called "giardiniera sausage" and does not mention brat, wurst or bratwurst on the little price tag sign in the butcher case.
    I picked up some of the green pepper & provolone italians to try (on sale @$3/lb) and some jalapeno cheddar brats to cook tonight for lunches this week. I also got a flat of those Roundy's-branded prepackaged 'Original Bratwurst' which I'll Sear & Beer (© : -BR). Man cannot live on fresh pork cuts, salt and spices alone. You see, he also needs BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid. Corn syrup solids tip it in.
    I am looking forward to lunch tomorrow.
  • Post #70 - August 30th, 2018, 2:32 am
    Post #70 - August 30th, 2018, 2:32 am Post #70 - August 30th, 2018, 2:32 am
    Few years later still digging Mariano's fresh Brats. I prefer Ream's or Miesfelds but there is a Mariano's two miles from my house.

    BratLTH1.jpg Brat Burger


    Yes, that's a lot of brown mustard, I like spicy brown mustard with brats. Raw onion and a generous pat of butter, unseen below the brat, and pan butter toasted bun round out the sandwich and my belly.
    One minute to Wapner.
    Raymond Babbitt

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  • Post #71 - September 3rd, 2018, 8:15 am
    Post #71 - September 3rd, 2018, 8:15 am Post #71 - September 3rd, 2018, 8:15 am
    I hate you all, every single one of you! The best (?!) brat I can get up here, in waaaay upstate NY is Johnsonville. Really. Truth. Just not A Thing in the North Country. I look back with longing on my days in Whitewater when I could get your actual Wisconsin brats from lots of different places and, most esp. from one of my wife's students at UW-Whitewater who lived in Sheboygan and went home at least once a month. Sigh. I'd die for a Miesfeld's. I really would.

    Geo
    PS. Hot dogs, OTOH, I've got totally covered: Pillar's makes a totally accurate Wiener/saucisse de Strasbourg, available at Québec Coscos. Oh boy!
    http://www.pillers.com/products/sausage-and-wieners/pillers-european-wieners-450g
    Sooo, you like wine and are looking for something good to read? Maybe *this* will do the trick! :)
  • Post #72 - September 4th, 2018, 5:51 am
    Post #72 - September 4th, 2018, 5:51 am Post #72 - September 4th, 2018, 5:51 am
    Although not found in many retail outlets, I have found Stiglmeier products in non-chain stores as far south as Homewood/Olympia Fields. I lived in Bavaria for several years and compare Stiglmeier wurst favorably with Germany's best.https://www.stiglmeier.com

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