Artie wrote:Do you know if there's been any activity at their old factory 1000 W. Pershing, or has it sat empty since they folded? I'll try and drive by next time I'm near there.

The old Best Kosher plant at Pershing & Morgan will be the new home of Vienna Beef. I don't know when they will move, or even if it's a done deal, but it seems only proper for them to return to the South Side (they were on S Halsted from 1894 to 1972) after a brief spell up north.

stevez wrote:But isn't Best's Kosher owned by Vienna?

I guess stevez is right after all: Best Kosher—the old factory, that is—is owned by Vienna.

Yes it does look like they registered the name Best's Kosher - which is different than Best Kosher which I think Sara Lee is still holding onto -

http://www.4-traders.com/HILLSHIRE-BRAN ... -18999883/

Rene G wrote:

Artie wrote:Do you know if there's been any activity at their old factory 1000 W. Pershing, or has it sat empty since they folded? I'll try and drive by next time I'm near there.

The old Best Kosher plant at Pershing & Morgan will be the new home of Vienna Beef. I don't know when they will move, or even if it's a done deal, but it seems only proper for them to return to the South Side (they were on S Halsted from 1894 to 1972) after a brief spell up north.

stevez wrote:But isn't Best's Kosher owned by Vienna?

I guess stevez is right after all: Best Kosher—the old factory, that is—is owned by Vienna.

This may not be the ideal thread for this (because the information might get lost) but as long as we're on the subject, I just learned (from an employee at the Vienna Beef Retail Outlet) that even after the factory moves (yes, it's a done deal), the retail outlet store now on N. Damen will remain open. And even after it is shuttered (which could be over a year from now), the plan is to move it somewhere fairly near where it is now -- north side. Apparently, there is not room for it in the building on Pershing.

=R=

weinstein5 wrote:Yes it does look like they registered the name Best's Kosher - which is different than Best Kosher which I think Sara Lee is still holding onto -

http://www.4-traders.com/HILLSHIRE-BRAN ... -18999883/

I think we agree Hillshire Brands has applied to register the Best's Kosher trademark (your link is the same as the one in my earlier post, #900). I'm not sure I understand the part about Sara Lee and Best.

As I wrote above, I don't think Sara Lee exists any longer as a distinct corporate entity, though Sara Lee brand products continue to be sold by Hillshire Brands (which is now a subsidiary of Tyson Foods). Around the time they transformed into Hillshire Brands in 2012, Sara Lee extended their registration of the Best's (not Best) Kosher trademark. I assume Hillshire Brands applied to register the same trademark in 2014 simply because Sara Lee Corporation had ceased to exist.

Are you saying Best Kosher is a different brand than Best's Kosher?

(If the moderators think it's worthwhile to move this Best's tangent to the appropriate thread, I'd have no objection whatsoever. I had no idea how far away from Costco this would get when I answered stevez's question about Vienna owning Best's.)

yes I do believe Best Kosher and Best's Kosher are two different trade marks -

Rene G wrote:Are you saying Best Kosher is a different brand than Best's Kosher?

Although people are referring to it as Best Kosher, the shuttered brand was known as Best's Kosher:

I always thought it was Best Kosher - learned something new -

spinynorman99 wrote:Although people are referring to it as Best Kosher, the shuttered brand was known as Best's Kosher

This is one of several things that made me realize the story isn't quite that straightforward:

As soon as I get done at Soldier's Field, I'm going to go to Jewel's to get clarification.

stevez wrote:As soon as I get done at Soldier's Field, I'm going to go to the Jewel's to get clarification.

FYP with superfluous definite article.

lodasi wrote:

stevez wrote:As soon as I get done at Soldier's Field, I'm going to go to the Jewel's to get clarification.

FYP with superfluous definite article.

I don't know what FYP means, but while we're at it, both possessive forms are superfluous/incorrect as well.

lodasi wrote:

stevez wrote:As soon as I get done at Soldier's Field, I'm going to go to the Jewel's to get clarification.

FYP with superfluous definite article.

Hey dis is Chicago. Whaddya mean?

"Fix Your Post"

Someone doesn't appreciate SteveZ's humor.

Presumably to echo colloquially-used terminology. Although I must admit, while I've heard people say "Soldiers Field" (with or without the apostrophe), I've only heard them say "the Jewel", not "the Jewel's".

http://www.wbez.org/episode-segments/be ... al-history

Best's and Sinai were competitors that merged into Bessin some years before SaraLee came in (I used to go to the Pershing outlet store to get stuff sold under both brands). They also made custom dogs under the Oscherwitz name, including dogs for Superdawg (much like Costco some years later they sold kosher dogs in a non-kosher setting).

They made a very awesome corned beef hash (sold in 1# tubes) for several years as well as a very good veal bratwurst and they sold 5# bags of irregular beef jerky at a ridiculous discount (in addition to dogs, polish, bagel dogs , etc.).

Rene G wrote:

weinstein5 wrote:Yes it does look like they registered the name Best's Kosher - which is different than Best Kosher which I think Sara Lee is still holding onto -

http://www.4-traders.com/HILLSHIRE-BRAN ... -18999883/

I think we agree Hillshire Brands has applied to register the Best's Kosher trademark (your link is the same as the one in my earlier post, #900). I'm not sure I understand the part about Sara Lee and Best.

As I wrote above, I don't think Sara Lee exists any longer as a distinct corporate entity, though Sara Lee brand products continue to be sold by Hillshire Brands (which is now a subsidiary of Tyson Foods). Around the time they transformed into Hillshire Brands in 2012, Sara Lee extended their registration of the Best's (not Best) Kosher trademark. I assume Hillshire Brands applied to register the same trademark in 2014 simply because Sara Lee Corporation had ceased to exist.

Are you saying Best Kosher is a different brand than Best's Kosher?

I'm getting confused...So along with Sara Lee, should I now be boycotting Hillshire Brands too?

spinynorman99 wrote:http://www.wbez.org/episode-segments/bests-kosher-personal-history

. . . . as well as a very good veal bratwurst and they sold 5# bags of irregular beef jerky at a ridiculous discount (in addition to dogs, polish, bagel dogs , etc.).

I loved their Veal Bratwurst and Beef Jerky!

nsxtasy wrote:Presumably to echo colloquially-used terminology. Although I must admit, while I've heard people say "Soldiers Field" (with or without the apostrophe), I've only heard them say "the Jewel", not "the Jewel's".

I agree that these are local colloquialisms. I hear Jewel, Jewels, and the Jewels (I haven't *heard* "the Jewel's," but then, you can't hear apostrophes, can you? ). A couple of weeks ago, a friend wrote on Facebook, "I rushed home from the Jewels just in time to see the international space station fly over." Similarly, when Dominick's was in business, I'd say and hear people say Dominick's and the Dominick's with close to equal frequency. I presume that making Jewel plural or possessive (Jewels or Jewel's) is a parallelism with Dominick's and that the use of the definite article with both is the result of substituting the store name for "grocery store."

stevez wrote:

lodasi wrote:

stevez wrote:As soon as I get done at Soldier's Field, I'm going to go to the Jewel's to get clarification.

FYP with superfluous definite article.

Hey dis is Chicago. Whaddya mean?

I've definitely heard more than one person with a classic Chicago accent say "I gotta go down to the Jewels."

I saw your sarcasm and upped it a notch. All in good fun.

Katie wrote:

nsxtasy wrote:Presumably to echo colloquially-used terminology. Although I must admit, while I've heard people say "Soldiers Field" (with or without the apostrophe), I've only heard them say "the Jewel", not "the Jewel's".

I agree that these are local colloquialisms. I hear Jewel, Jewels, and the Jewels (I haven't *heard* "the Jewel's," but then, you can't hear apostrophes, can you? ). A couple of weeks ago, a friend wrote on Facebook, "I rushed home from the Jewels just in time to see the international space station fly over." Similarly, when Dominick's was in business, I'd say and hear people say Dominick's and the Dominick's with close to equal frequency. I presume that making Jewel plural or possessive (Jewels or Jewel's) is a parallelism with Dominick's and that the use of the definite article with both is the result of substituting the store name for "grocery store."

Just like Best Kosher and Best's Kosher. See what I did there?

I don't think adding the article and possessive is limited to the Jewel's Dominick's situation. I think people used to go over by the Ward's back in the day, if the Zayer's didn't have it.

JeffB wrote:I don't think adding the article and possessive is limited to the Jewel's Dominick's situation. I think people used to go over by the Ward's back in the day, if the Zayer's didn't have it.

Wards was actually their own designation:

Chicken or egg issue there, similar to Bests. The Wiki article shows the signage moved to and fro between "Montgomery Ward" and "Wards" over time. Unlike Best('s), they clearly took liberties with punctuation in the name of midcentury design.

JoelF wrote: Chicago area ones previously had Best's Kosher (wait, is that right?), not Vienna. I believe it carries by region.

stevez wrote: But isn't Best's Kosher owned by Vienna?

The brand "Kosher Zion" was owned by David Berg. I am pretty certain that the hot dog served by Lulu's on Taylor (@ Ogden) was, for many years - including the year for which my letter to the Sun-Times was composed, a Kosher Zion frank. {It's now a branded Vienna Beef.}
Perhaps this is the source of your confusion.