viaChgo wrote:I used to think this as well but Batali uses extra virgin for everything and says that even though you lose some of the flavor when you cook with it, you still end up with more flavor than if you had started with a lesser oil. He even deep fries with EV, like they do in Rome (according to Batali).
Maybe this should be it's own thread. I didn't mean to hijack Daisy's thread.
It's a question of money. You can use extra virgin oil for frying but in doing so, you lose many of the chemical qualities that make extra virgin olive oil so good tasting and so good for your health. In a certain sense then, you're wasting some of the money you spent to purchase in the first place oil that has those particular chemical qualities.
I pretty much only use olive oil in my kitchen, though occasionally I have peanut oil or some other oil on hand. For pan-frying, I generally have to use extra virgin oil because that's all I have, though it is somewhat wasteful from the perspective noted above; nevertheless, I like the flavour it imparts and that's my way of cooking: fairly high heat, small amount of oil, and quick cooking keeps the waste down and the taste up. If I know I'm going to be deep-frying, I won't waste that much high quality oil and use regular olive oil instead, which is fine and has a nice flavour and should cost a lot less (or else I use peanut oil or some blend) . Regular old olive oil is a blend of processed olive oil with some extra virgin to give it flavour.
In my family, both sides of the ocean, for traditional cooking we use olive oil for almost everything, except deep-frying, where we use it sometimes (certain deep-fried items demand it for flavour), but then esp. the lower grade, basic 'olive oil' (the aforementioned commercial blend of processed olive oil and extra virgin); we also use other oils or mixtures of oils. But we are well aware that this is an aspect of our cooking that has changed due to health concerns and better economic situation. Lard was regularly used all across Italy (insofar as one could afford it), as elsewhere in western Europe, outside of the butter zones, and in the immigrant neighbourhoods in the US in the 20th century -- till after WWII -- that was still the case too. A great many traditional dishes, including lots from areas which have always used olive oil as a basic cooking fat, are made -- if one cares to do things in the traditional way -- with lard.
Batali is right that (some) people use extra virigin even for deep frying but he gives the very wrong impression that everyone always does that or at least everyone who knows what they're doing in the kitchen does: that's bull, of course, but Mario's historical and cultural asides all need to be taken with a grain of sea salt (I think he is a fine chef but amazingly sloppy and frequently wrong with his historical and cultural comments). In any event, good olive oil is relatively expensive and pretty much always has been, so aside from by and for rich people, except in certain limited settings (on a farm with its own olive groves but even then only for the higher-ups), oil was and is used with an eye on the pocket book.
Getting back to Daisy, my impression was that she claims olive oil is no good for real frying and therefore uses vegetable oils with a higher smoking point. I thought she didn't use olive oil for frying on account of its alleged lack of suitability and in that advanced the widespread misconception about olive oil. Or maybe she's revised her view; I do remember her recommending not using olive oil for frying on account of smoking point in some show.
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- aus dem Tagebuch E.T.A. Hoffmanns, 6. Januar 1804.
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