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    Post #1 - October 20th, 2006, 9:08 pm
    Post #1 - October 20th, 2006, 9:08 pm Post #1 - October 20th, 2006, 9:08 pm
    An interesting article from the New York Times regarding restaurant entrees crashing through the $40 barrier.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/21/dinin ... r=homepage
  • Post #2 - October 20th, 2006, 10:36 pm
    Post #2 - October 20th, 2006, 10:36 pm Post #2 - October 20th, 2006, 10:36 pm
    I certainly hope this is mostly a Manhattan phenom (although the article mentions Atlantic City and Vegas, with other cities following close). I can believe it in the Big Apple: last week at a company-run conference, the hotel was $600/night for those who couldn't get the convention rate, and my company was charged $48/head for continental breakfast (whether they ate it or not), and $5 per donut at break!
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  • Post #3 - October 21st, 2006, 7:08 am
    Post #3 - October 21st, 2006, 7:08 am Post #3 - October 21st, 2006, 7:08 am
    I believe that your experience is becoming all too common in Manhattan. I was there on business about a month ago on fairly short notice (a week). My company's corporate hotel was sold out for those two nights. What room inventory I was able to find was in excess of $450 a night and it was far from luxury accomodation. I even went so far as to check availability at some of the hotels on the waterfront in Jersey City which were approaching $400 per night.

    Manhattan lives and dies on its highs and lows. Right now, its on one of ite revenue driven highs. I long ago decided I like Chicago a lot better.
  • Post #4 - October 21st, 2006, 8:43 am
    Post #4 - October 21st, 2006, 8:43 am Post #4 - October 21st, 2006, 8:43 am
    JoelF wrote:I certainly hope this is mostly a Manhattan phenom (although the article mentions Atlantic City and Vegas, with other cities following close). I can believe it in the Big Apple: last week at a company-run conference, the hotel was $600/night for those who couldn't get the convention rate, and my company was charged $48/head for continental breakfast (whether they ate it or not), and $5 per donut at break!


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  • Post #5 - October 21st, 2006, 9:06 am
    Post #5 - October 21st, 2006, 9:06 am Post #5 - October 21st, 2006, 9:06 am
    Quoted from the article:

    "Bobby Flay acknowledges that “the needle has moved very fast.” Mr. Flay recently crossed the $40 mark in his Las Vegas and Atlantic City outposts, though he says he intentionally loses money on many other entrees in order to keep prices reasonable."

    My a$$ he loses money on many entrees...

    I do find it very interesting though, that with technology and statistics, the restaurant industry can now price items not necessarily by value, but by "sophisticated calculation" - ingenious.
  • Post #6 - October 21st, 2006, 10:21 am
    Post #6 - October 21st, 2006, 10:21 am Post #6 - October 21st, 2006, 10:21 am
    I thought the most interesting point in this article (which includes several Chicago restaurants as examples, and features a photo of Nick's Fishmarket, and -- in the print edition -- a photo of the dover sole entree that clocks in at over $40 there) is the notion that a restaurant may make money by having a $40+ entree even if it doesn't sell a single one on a given night -- because people then figure that they're getting a "deal" if they choose a dish that's the second most expensive on the menu. I'll say I've been taken that way myself in a few restaurants, if that's in fact what's going on -- choosing the slightly-less expensive entree in the mid-30 buck range and patting myself on the back for being a prudent consumer. I'll approach the menu differently next time.
    ToniG
  • Post #7 - October 21st, 2006, 4:31 pm
    Post #7 - October 21st, 2006, 4:31 pm Post #7 - October 21st, 2006, 4:31 pm
    JayK wrote:I do find it very interesting though, that with technology and statistics, the restaurant industry can now price items not necessarily by value, but by "sophisticated calculation" - ingenious.


    Calculating strategy probably borrowed by the pump gasoline industry.

    Regards,
    Cathy2

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  • Post #8 - October 21st, 2006, 6:11 pm
    Post #8 - October 21st, 2006, 6:11 pm Post #8 - October 21st, 2006, 6:11 pm
    Reminds me of a comment made by a friend of mine who was once a marketing manager at Wendy's. He told me the triple burger is on the menu in order to make it easier for people to order double burgers.

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